Woman jailed for ten years for false rape accusations

[OlennasWimple]

Can we discuss this case? It's interesting for lots of reasons, including that the sentence she has been given for making multiple false accusations is over three times the length that one of the men who was falsely accused was given for actual rape

As I said, even being convicted of rape doesn't ruin men's lives, as shown by this sickening individual: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/28/man-who-raped-stranger-hours-before-his-wedding-given-life-term

The first post was phrased as to imply that one of the falsely accused man had committed an actual rape, that was proven.

If he did not, and the "actual rape" mentioned was not an actual, but just an alleged rape, then of course I don't believe him to be guilty.

Just, IF he had been in front of a judge two times, one times with the here mentioned false accusation, and then a later time, convicted of rape, that'd mean a woman making false accusations would have to have accused an actual rapist by sheer accident. Which is hard to believe.

How? If I lie about being burgled or mugged how does that affect any one else?

It doesn't, because people aren't in the habit of not believing victims or burglary.

It also doesn't in the case of rape, except that people who don't want to believe rape victims will have a nice excuse - they'd continue to not believe rape victims without anyone giving them an excuse for it, of course, but they feel better if they can point at a woman and blame her for their lack of empathy and their misogyny.

I also don't think that people claiming to have been burgled are then given thrice as long a sentence as people who actually commit burglary.

Why is this a feminist issue??

Because rape victims are overwhelmingly female. And convictions rates are believed by everyone other than MRAs their apologists to be far lower than they should be given the prevalence of the crime

"Madeleine Wolfe, prosecuting, told the court police spent 6,400 hours investigating Beale’s claims at a cost of at least £250,000, and the trial cost at least £109,000"

Money and time that could have been spent helping real victims, wasted

Of course, the people who most frequently lie about rape are men denying they committed it.

Apologies mumof56 I didn't realise you were American.

USAGE
Burgle vs. burglarize
In American English, the verb burgle, meaning to rob, is regarded as a humorous backformation from burglar, and burglarize is the preferred term in serious contexts

In British English, it’s the other way around. Burgle is a legitimate verb, used even in sober news reports, and burglarize (or burglarise, as it would probably be spelled if it were an accepted word in British English) is virtually nonexistent in serious contexts. Some Britons view burglarize as an American barbarism

Lass he may have gone on to say that as of course only a section of his remarks are being quoted. The implication I got was that he was lamenting that this will be widely publicised and the negative impact that could have on the perceptions of some though I see your point.

Victims of rape are frequently disbelieved hence such low conviction rates. This disbelief doesn't happen with other crimes to anything like the same extent which is why a case like this is so damaging to victims of rape.

Rape has a low conviction rate because it is a very tough crime to prove and prosecute. That along with the fact that our legal system requires a very high level of burden of proof in order to convict someone and the majority of women are raped by someone they know rather than a stranger. Those three things combined will of course mean that conviction rates will be low.

However even if you are right, why are women frequently disbelieved about rape in a way that other people and other crimes aren't? Don't say it's because of women like this who make false accusations because that's bullshit. There is no proof that false rape accusations occur more often than false accusations of other crime so why wouldn't people alleging other crimes be disbelieved in the same way women are when it comes to rape?

Wow. Apparently as of 2013, no-one had received the maximum 10 years sentence for perverting the course of justice for a century!

Her sentence is so long because she commuted the same crime 4 times. If she'd only done it once, she would have got a lesser sentence.

*commited

She was convicted of 4 counts of perjury and 4 counts of perverting the course of justice. Also in those cases nobody served time in jail as a result of the lies. So hardly a like for like comparison.

Dang it! Crossed posts

One man was wrongly jailed, so yes she deserves punishment for that. Although I'd suspect psychiatric help maybe more appropriate.

She destroyed other lives? Really? Someone mentioned on here somewhere it takes 50 accusations of rape before one sticks, no idea how that statistic comes about but certainly we still have numerous women defending the Jimmy saviles, and Chad evens is more popular and respected now from what I can see, despite at the very least having sex with a seriously intoxicated vulnerable woman. Trump's admission of sexual assualt did him no harm, neither did the accusation of raping a child. And Michael Jackson was considered innocent by so many yet look at the child porn found following his death. False accusations rarely do any real harm to men. Not to say that's ok, and in cases of imprisonment it needs addressing. But the idea that being accused of rape deserves triple the sentence an actual rape gets is horrific. Accusing someone of rape doesn't risk pregnancys (which allways risks women's lives and MH) or STD/is or PTSD or actual physical harm. I've never heard of a man killing himself because of being accused of rape, I've known of plenty women who have or have attempted to. Words dont rip vaginas, they don't cause dissociations, they don't tie a belt round your throat and choke til unconsious, they don't leave bruises and cuts or broken bones or too much scar tissue to ever carry a child. Words dont force you into sexual acts you haven't consented to, they don't rip clumps of your hair out, they don't put combinations of drugs in your system that could do God knows what damage to your brain. They don't film you, naked and three penis' forced into you, blood dripping and distribute your worst moments round the internet for other perverts to see.

Most women aren't believed when they are raped so false claims rarely harm men, certainly not more than actual rape harms women.

www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11912748/Guilty-until-proven-innocent-life-after-a-false-rape-accusation.html

Resulted in the accused committing suicide.

What an utterly fucked up individual.

I agree that it's not her sentence that is too long, it's that sentences for rape convictions are too low.

For once I think we agree.

I just knew as soon as I read that line in Gone's post that someone would post a link to that news story. I just bloody knew it.

Personally I think it's vile that people keep dragging up the suicide of a clearly vulnerable boy and his mother to try and prove some weird fucked up agenda.

I also wish that people would actually bloody read news articles properly and take the time to understand what they're actually saying before they go around sharing them left, right and centre.

Gonegonegone your post is completely irrelevant* to this case.

That's the decision of the judge. And it's good enough for me.

@gonegonegone

Not all rapes involved choking, blood and ending up filmed on the internet

Please read this about the effects of being wrongly accused of rape.

Your post is astonishingly ignorant

Consequences of Being Falsely Accused of ... - University of Tilburg

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Weird fucking agenda? I was challenging the comment that it does affect males. Hardly an agenda.

Mumof56 I tried reading that but I gave up after the first sentence.

If you're going to expect us to read something that starts off with a blatant lie then you must think we were born yesterday.

One of the consequences of being " falsely accused of rape" appears to be that you become President of the USA.

Yes it's a weird fucked up agenda.

The bottom line is, two people are DEAD and because of this we will sadly never know what really happened in that case.

Bringing it up constantly is just seriously fucked up.