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Is prostitution rape?

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BayLeaves · 21/08/2017 14:59

I've seen posters referring to prostitution as rape on here and I am interested to hear the reasoning.

I am undecided on the issue as I have not really thought much on it before.

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Lauralou69 · 22/08/2017 22:02

Yes I agree but the outcomes are probably entirely different.....one ends up witn financial security and the other ends up in shitsville!!

MrsDustyBusty · 22/08/2017 22:07

It's interesting though that the experience we must not deny is that of the totally not made up on the internet experience of women who live like a consumerist fantasy and report this to their target client base, men who want women to always be available for purchase.

It's funny, they want women to be available for seamless purchase but somehow want to believe that their utter callousness and disregard for women enriches the women in ways they can point to. Because they know, even in their warped and stunted imaginations that while tales of untold riches and she's beyond the dreams of avarice might be a runner, emotional satisfaction is a much harder sell.

Lauralou69 · 22/08/2017 22:07

I know which group I'd rather be in. But yes of course both are exploitative, with consequences.

MrsDustyBusty · 22/08/2017 22:14

Yes, and in the madey up group, they also have great sex with handsome, urbane, sophisticated men that they'd have sex with anyway. So yeah, that's good.

Lauralou69 · 22/08/2017 22:23

Or it's the fat, sad, bald, smelly, mysogynitic ones............

sillage · 22/08/2017 22:30

"I find 99% of people are far more familiar with the far end of the spectrum when it comes to 'sex work'"

Because the most abused and raped prostitutes are simply chatterboxes who won't stop telling everyone within earshot and online that they're being repeatedly raped? Well, you know rape victims.

Whilst the safe and healthy Happy Hookers tend to be demure and really only feel secure speaking anonymously online to feminists, which is why hundreds of on-the-ground researchers have failed to count their legions?

I don't buy it.

Dustbunny1900 · 22/08/2017 22:38

Erm, no, because in the whorephobic misogynistic world we live in, obviously many more of them DONT enjoy their profession or are forced into it. I never denied that. But thats not the entirety of the industry, and it doesn't mean that the act of sex for money in and of itself is necessarily rape or even demeaning for ALL of us. And there are loud "happy hookers". Not sure how I feel about some of them, but
They exist

Gonegonegone · 22/08/2017 22:52

I'm not sold that high end prostitute's all end up with financial security.

What happens when they get older and fat and wrinkley and saggy- do they still make what they did when they were young and fresh? What happens if they develop disabilities, not uncommon with age? How do they maintain a relationship during working? What happens if they get STD/is because no contraception is 100%. What happens when they develop anal prolapse?

I expect high end sex workers who end up retired happy and well off are rare. There's alot written about the porn industry, about how girls can start off earning lots and being able to dictate what they do. But that in time, short time, they become used up, only able to earn anything if they do the extreme end, violent, degrading, physically damaging and no protection. Unable to gain other employment due to lack of skills.

Even in the best case scenario with a well off retired high end prostitute I would expect from a psychological pov it significantly changed how they view intimate relationships. Pretty sure that's the standard psych view iirc.

DeleteOrDecay · 22/08/2017 22:58

in the same way we don't allow women to be paid to be surrogate mothers. Kidneys and other organs can't be sold, and wombs can't be rented, but UK law says vaginas can because men's need for sex is so much stronger than another woman's need for a child or someone dying of kidney failure, and is so much more important than the woman selling sex, who was likely abused to start with, who will likely end up with PTSD and a drug habit as a result of her 'choice' to sell sex? What a load of horseshit.

This sums it up for me. It's all kinds of sick that it's so normalised when you think about it like that.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 22/08/2017 23:19

Yes, and in the madey up group, they also have great sex with handsome, urbane, sophisticated men that they'd have sex with anyway. So yeah, that's good

Pretty Woman - as a police officer in LAPD in a documentary about it said "one of the worst films ever made"

Dustbunny1900 · 22/08/2017 23:21

The opposite here, surrogates can be paid but prostitution is illegal ( for prostitutes as well as the johns, unlike Canada ). Another reason you won't be hearing from many "happy hookers" , aside from the very intense social stigma that will follow you for life. Of course I only feel secure outting myself on an anonymous forum, and even that was probably a mistake.

Lauralou69 · 23/08/2017 08:36

Dusybunny1900

It's not a mistake, it's just that your experience is not going to be the case for large numbers of women who will be destroyed physically and psychologically by doing this work.

MrGHardy · 23/08/2017 09:20

Yes it is wrong to deny that happy, extremely successful high end escorts exist. But how many do? Have you looked at escort sites? You can buy hot young girls for £100 to £200 per hour easily. To become rich off of that you still need to fuck an awful lot of guys. If anything, the market is flooded right now with the internet, so many more young girls, students especially, earning an extra bit of cash this way.

So I dare say those that earn £500/hr or more are far and few between. Whereas the number of girls trafficked far exceeds them. Not to mention those that 'willingly' work in seedy brothels or the streets. To then bring up these high class escorts is misleading and brings nothing to the debate. And you too Dustybunny - good for you that you have a blast and make a blast. Doesn't change the fact that the majority of women don't. And sometimes it's better to protect the majority than the minority.

Dervel · 23/08/2017 13:25

I just don't want the German style super brothels in this country. Sign me up for anything that prevents this.

Elendon · 23/08/2017 13:46

Prostitution comes under a huge umbrella of situations. From those who are enslaved and trafficked to those who do it for the fun and the easy money. It can't be separated either, so if you are in this then you must recognise that rape is involved. It goes to no consent to eagerly consenting.

I can't see German style brothels coming to a post Brexit Britain anytime soon. Possibly one of the most positive things to come out of Brexit.

DeleteOrDecay · 23/08/2017 14:16

I just don't want the German style super brothels in this country. Sign me up for anything that prevents this.

Agree 100%. They sound utterly revolting.

DeleteOrDecay · 23/08/2017 14:19

And the same goes for any type of 'sex cafe'. Just grim.

MrGHardy · 23/08/2017 15:21

Sex cafe? Like Switzerland? You buy an expensive coffee and it comes with a side of blowie? Sorry but that just sounds hilarious. How would that ever take off.

CeeBeeBee · 23/08/2017 15:38

I hope it never takes off but there was definitely talk about it last year.

Here

Did one open in Geneva in the end?

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