Changing gender without any medical care/advice/opinion - just saying 'I'm a woman' and it being so

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40692782

I feel so naive right now-I didn't think this would really get to this point: So they actually want to make it possible to turn around and say, 'I am a man/woman' without any kind of doctor's confirmation of gender dysphoria?

What the fuck is this going to do to women's prisons? How many female criminals will end up abused, raped, killed by MEN in what should be safe places for them?! This is nothing to do with trans people-this is just going to be taken advantage of by predatory men.

If toilets are to be gender neutral they dont need to put urinals in the womens. There wont be a womens toilet. Just one toilet.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/national-lgbt-survey

Identify as what you like and have your say in the comments box.

So being assigned female at birth means...

I am absolutely livid about this. I have been working in womens rights volunteering for a while and a number of us have been trying to fight this. I am sick of women like us being bullied for:

1. Wanting safe spaces such as women's toilets, changing rooms, rape crisis centre
2. Using words for female genitalia (and even the word "women") because they are now "trans exclusionary"
3. Refusing to refer to myself as a "cis woman" cos apparently only trans women are women. Fuck off.
4. Believing provisions granted to women to protect them and promote their opportunities (sports, colleges) should not be infiltrated by gender dysphoric males
5. Fearing that many of these new laws will leave women vulnerable to voyeurism and sexual assault
6. Believing it is impossible to "feel like a woman" if you are a man because you have no reference point
7. Believing there is no such thing as a female brain and certainly no such thing as a female penis
8. Fearing that the UK will turn out like the US and we will all be referred to as "birthing individuals" with "front holes" in official documentation
9. Wondering what part of someone's gender identity cancels out a male body, male chromosomes and male reproductive system

10. Knowing that being a woman is much more than clothing or lipstick

I've written to my Labour MP asking how they plan to protect women from many of the above points.

One of the most galling points is that apparently there has already been a nifty provision that means aristocratic daughters cannot suddenly identify as men and swipe titles, property an peerages from their longer brothers.

This is an insidious attack on women and women's rights. Labour should be ashamed for welcoming this. I am half glad we have a Tory PM because I cannot see TM buying this, even though she may have little recourse.

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Maria Miller first supported all this when she was chair of the Women and Equality Committee, now the chair is Justine Greening. Both are conservative MP's, both support it. The majority of Labour MP's support it as well.

I still doubt the PM does, not to mention the ultra conservatism Tory backbenchers. However, they have to pick their battles and I don't see them sticking their necks out for women's causes. My reference to Labour is partly because, as I said, my MP is Labour and partly due to the fact that I would expect a basic understanding of gender oppression from a party that is so switched on about class, race, etc.

www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/fallon-aubee-transgender-inmate-1.4215594

Bloke convicted of first-degree murder in 2003 in a street-gang contract killing case is being moved to a woman's prison. He's also pre-op, of course. Nice for the women.

I do like that the people going through those survey results are soon going to have a first hand experience of what self-identification really means: that they've ended up with a load of impostors filling out a form not meant for them. Not quite the same as a male impostor taking a woman's place in the Olympics, but you take the drops or comfort you can get.

It is so frustrating to hear supporters of this huge change refer to "gender" when they clearly mean "sex". They're deliberately avoiding saying "sex" because they know lots of people are going to start thinking about this and will say "Hang on, you're saying that if a man says "I'm now a woman" his actual sex has changed? Just on his say so? But that's clearly nonsense". People will be much less likely to kick off when they have in their heads an effeminate boy experimenting with eye shadow or a teenage sk8er girl being free to have a pixie cut and wear clothes similar to those of her male friends.

I suppose the next trick will be to amend birth certificates to refer to "gender" instead of "sex". But of course were that to be done then that part would need to be left blank because these days no one can say what gender a baby will identify with once they are older.

But according to this logic, "sex" should be removed from birth certificates anyway because for any individual their sex is unknown until they've expressed what it is to be (well, for this week at least).

Which leads me to think that the goal is to remove the concept of "sex" completely and replace it with self-identified gender. This would provide a straightforward way to eliminate as concepts feminism, sex discrimination, and, of course, women generally. Naturally the realities would still be there but they would be something not permitted to be discussed in public discourse or polite company.

Reading the definition of trans I doubt anybody exists who isn't.

Naturally the realities would still be there but they would be something not permitted to be discussed in public discourse or polite company.

Exactly, it's misogyny and men's rights activism to a tee.

Your brain determines your sex.

Therefore no such thing as sex discrimination.

Job done.

A minority sexual orientation?

I doubt very much that bisexuality is a minority sexual orientation.

If we all put down male or non binary etc

Won't the government look at that and say, look at all the gender non conforming people we should definitely amend our laws based on gender

In a census you need to tick sex. As a protest I would put down male.

Gender would then be male.

If we all did this then the majority of the population would be male. Which is clearly nonsense.

These were the questions asked in the 2016 Irish Census form

census.ie/the-census-and-you/each-question-in-detail/

This is the Scottish form in 2011

www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/variables-classification/sex

The 38degrees petition has been disabled!!

The silencing of women is absolutely sinister.

I wonder what they are going to do if all women in the UK identify as male in the census. Perhaps they'd realize that they have been very, very, very stupid.

Or they'd just not connect it to genderism and investigate the disappearance of millions of women.

My theory about the government's support for this measure comes from the language used by Maria Miller and Justine Greening. One phrase I hear from them again and again is that things need to change because the current views are "out of date". I think that they've decided they don't want to be caught on the wrong side of the trans issue, ie not on the same side as young people. I think it's about positioning with an eye to the demographics.

Fill in the survey. Get others to fill in the survey. Identify however the shit you like to get our point across.

In fact at least some of us should fill it in as TW and be very specific about how we are so oppressed because lesbians won't sleep with us no matter how much we demand it etc

In fact at least some of us should fill it in as TW and be very specific about how we are so oppressed because lesbians won't sleep with us no matter how much we demand it etc

So you trust those who make the survey are not in fact in favour of lesbians being raped?

I have lost all trust in the common sense of politicians by now.

Is this whole thing not a stepping stone to getting rid of single sex services altogether. That would save the government a lot of money, especially in the NHS.

Oh dear Sylvia - it took long enough for research funding & NHS practical money to be dedicated to "women's" diseases, such as breast cancer (although we're very behind on ovarian cancer), or to recognise that women's bodies & female biology weren't just slightly defective versions of male biology , and that we suffer serious/major diseases or conditions differently eg heart attacks, autism.

What I mean is, the medical profession & medical research has always worked from the unstated, unarticulated assumption that the male body and male physiology is the norm, and that female bodies were "Other."

I thought this had shifted, just a wee bit.

But no, it seems not ...