Changing gender without any medical care/advice/opinion - just saying 'I'm a woman' and it being so

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40692782

I feel so naive right now-I didn't think this would really get to this point: So they actually want to make it possible to turn around and say, 'I am a man/woman' without any kind of doctor's confirmation of gender dysphoria?

What the fuck is this going to do to women's prisons? How many female criminals will end up abused, raped, killed by MEN in what should be safe places for them?! This is nothing to do with trans people-this is just going to be taken advantage of by predatory men.

What a strange new world we find ourselves in, when our allies are the people who we are fundamentally opposed to.
Yes, Brendan O Neill is not someone I would naturally align with I must say. But I did agree with much of the spiked article. I am finding well reasoned arguments that I agree with in the most unlikely places these days.
We are truly down the rabbit hole.

puffpaw I read that article and thought the same. Strange days when I can agree with Spiked on an issue. And Brendan being a bloke and editing online mag is more likely to have his opinion heard than me.

Philip Davies was on the Women and Equalitites Committee, and he said the word 'women' should be removed from the title. He thinks feminists are zealots.
Maria Miller is a Conservative MP. She is no different from any of the other conservative women who are anti abortion. Its too much to expect them to listen, there is an agenda and they are playing it out.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-feminism-women-equalities-committee-renamed-remove-reference-a7558926.html

Here are some of the bills Tory MP Philip Davies has filibustered, they include bills to improve legislation on domestic violence.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-filibuster-domestic-violence-a7479266.html

DJ are you in the FB thing?

@TheNoseyProject no problems! I was on my phone and not able to explain very well.

My reservations are entirely around the small number of areas where segregation by sex is appropriate - women's sports, women's shelters, women's prisons, and round issues of informed consent - it is unethical to trans children).

I think I can see useful discussion when it's focused like this - and other similar posts/threads.

I am uneasy around discussions that focus on the more fundamental elements, legislation and protection already in place.

Not that that should matter to anyone. Not expecting it to. Just sharing because I may be representative of average, not very well informed people who care and could get on board.

Also, if there is to be any impact it's surely more likely to be around these issues. It seems there is a short period to focus before the consultation is issued to get the right people in to the right places in terms of consultation.

"Noise" is good. It has its place. Father's for Justice created a window for groups like Families Need Father's to work with government. But well, for obvious reasons, protest from women in this subject is not going to matter like the voice of fathers.

I have completed the survey. We must all do what we can to fight for our rights. I am just aghast at these proposals. I am so sad that women are under siege to such an extent in this day and age. I will no longer feel comfortable going to my local pool changing room so I will be excluded from any places that previously were comfortable to me and other women...so wrong.

That video is incredibly depressing. Those university students don't seem to realise that there are such things as objective truths. I wonder what they study (hopefully not science).

I have only just started posting on mumsnet because having understood a bit more about the proposed changes to legislation I am appalled that to improve rights of one group it seems necessary to marginalise rights of another group. I have spoken to friends, signed petition and plan to write to my MP but I want to be involved in collective action as I think lone voices will be dismissed. If anyone knows of feminist or other groups that are against the proposals can you pm me please.

Thanks for posting the link to the survey. There's a couple of questions where you can add full text answers, which I have done - explaining that I see gender as being about how society enacts its expectations and as an individual I try and support people who wish to deviate from those stereotypes... and that gender identity is nonsense and regressive.

Thank you MN for enabling this discuss and thank god for all you posters who helped me articulate my discomfort with all this

I am so sad that women are under siege to such an extent in this day and age.

The only consolation is that this will make a wicked updating of 'The Handmaid's Tale'....

Hoping the discussion about proposals to law continues and more women are informed, from what I have read in general press and on TV it seems that there is no clear explanation of the facts and only people making fun, such as, "I am what I feel I am" so people think that's ridiculous it will never happen and further commenting on what it means is shut down. I rarely use social media and only looked more deeply into the proposals because of a friends comment. I worry that there are loads of women like me who will not realise this is happening until the legislation has gone through.

hi6789

Check out this thread for further groups who are as worried as you.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2988720-Facebook-group

Datun will pm you

Can I share this here? Trans veteran responds to Trump with classic male threat. I've seen AuntySarah make a similar threat to someone they disagreed with - that their critic should "suck my formaldehyde pickled balls". It's just so rooted in male violence and male sexual dominance - these are the people that want to come into women's spaces. I find it difficult to cope with.

"Small Town Squirrel‏ @eternalkerri Jul 26

Seriously.

Trump can suck the Iraqi sand off my transgender veteran cock."