Jeremy Corbyn speaks about trans rights

[MacaroonMama]

Haven't posted on this board before but I do read it often - sorry if I get the link wrong.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/19/let-trans-people-self-identify-gender-corbyn-urges-may

So do we need to remind Jeremy Corbyn that while supporting all minorities is important, it should NOT be bought at the price of women's rights being eroded and women's funding being cut and women's spaces being invaded?

A while back, I wrote to my MP about that private members' bill changing 'sex' to 'gender' as a protected characteristic, but he didn't reply (third time! useless!) - what is happening with that?

I am going to write again to my MP and maybe Corbyn too.

What do people think? I don't dislike Corbyn at all, And I honestly do wonder if it is a bit of trans rights being much more fashionable than women's rights!

(Please note I do not want to offend anyone, I just am worried about the rights of women and girls in our society today.)

Bloody hell. What a mess.

(Surely unethical the doctor being a cousin of Jazz's mum?).

Today 22:35 QueenLaBeefah

Bloody hell. What a mess.

(Surely unethical the doctor being a cousin of Jazz's mum?).

I would've thought so. Especially being in America when he would be being paid for all this. Not to mention the publicity.

So very many people invested in Jazz toeing the line.

I think the tide is still turning. I know and speak to lots of women who do not remotely identity as feminists on many issues or indeed in everyday life. And are often scathing about feminism in general. Either through ignorance of the issues or because they don't see them as issues. And yet they are more in line with radical feminism on trans issues, despite having opinions on equality that would be more suited to 1950.

That's interesting Lurkedforever1. And reassuring.

Do you see a theme with those friends, at all? Are they just fed up with the millennial 57 different gender/pronoun nonsense?

Or is it more to do with predatory men and the reinforcement of gender stereotypes?

datun I'd like to say the latter but I think a bit of both. In a few cases I suspect it's small mindedness at anyone different rather than genuine concern about the dangers.

However, even in that group there's huge respect for the likes of womens refuges, and genuine fear of transwomen taking that away. Plus not wanting men in their daughters spaces. The gender stereotyping isn't interpreted the same as I would, more 'my daughter can be a tomboy and grow into makeup and finding a man to support her later' but the essence is still there.

There's also plenty who just haven't noticed/cared, who have suddenly woke up and drawn a line in the sand. They don't care about gender roles at home, don't see the issues with pay gap, don't care about casual sexism, but trans is another ball game, for all the same reasons any radical feminist would object.

I think most feminism has by passed their notice, but trans is prominent enough they've had to notice.

Lurkedforever1

Interesting. Thanks for the answer. It all boils down to whether not you truly believe that a brain can be gendered. A lady brain.

Or whether you think it's an unfortunate condition, much like anorexia.

If you get into a conversation online of course, it doesn't matter what you think, you just come out with the conclusion that they're all raving, steeped in misogyny and hate women.

Sorry, I'm so used to writing misogyny, I sometimes forget that it is hating women, and I add that as well!

Facebook said they have disabled my account due to suspicious activity. It's still disabled now.

I got sick of hearing how harmless transwoman are, how they're all the nicest person you could hope to meet. Have they met every single one? I posted some links about some of the crimes that have happened. Every one was quick to state these people are NOT transgender. Very odd that they say this when they are supporting self identification because obviously anyone who says they're a woman just is,end of.. Also, as I understand it, it is violence to misgender someone. I suppose that makes them um, well bigots and transphobes. The hypocrosy of trans dictating who is trans and who is not.

As you know the official story is that no trans person has ever attacked anyone ever. I think I got the boot for posting links to the ever growing violence and sexual assaults.

RogueBiscuit

I'm raging on your behalf.

Did you post the video that came out after the original one? It was as a result of everyone saying those people aren't really trans.

Every single person in the second video had not only declared themselves as a trans for a significant amount of time, they were often in a position where they were representing trans rights.

Quite hard to disregard those people.

And anyway it only reinforces the argument. All these criminals, whether trans or not, will have unfettered access to potential victims - because of self identification.

And effectively putting paid to the other argument that no man in his right mind would pretend to be trans in order to commit a crime.

Sometimes I think I'm going cross-eyed with the amount of goalpost moving that goes on.

No, I haven't seen the second video.

RogueBiscuit

This is the second of the two films. This one features active TRAs who can in no way be called pretend.

Together with a screenshot of part of the introduction.

That video is horrendous. Strong content note needed. I feel sick after watching it. (Had to do it in two parts, my hard radical feminist edge isn't strong enough)

I think that there are a significant number of people who will object to TRA messages about lady dicks and chest feeding because they themselves like gender stereotyping. I'm thinking about the fundamental Christians who believe that God created a man and a woman for procreation and gay sex is an absolute sin, for example. If you believe this, thinking that God got it wrong by putting the wrong brain into the wrong body is blasphemy (God does not err). Women's ability to bear children is an important part of their identity. Women must be protected from men who might threaten them. Women can never hope to emulate a man, in some cases even wearing trousers or having short hair is completely verboten.

TRAs are creating all sort of unlikely and uncomfortable alliances...

Holy fuck, that video.

datun I'm not convinced the groups I'm thinking of have all got that far in their reasoning yet. Not because they all lack the ability to think, more the opportunity. They're mainly on nmw zero hour contracts or benefits so there is no pay gap in their experience, and surviving day to day takes precedence over the luxury of discussion. A highly skilled female on a salary they would kill for eclipses the fact an equally skilled male is paid more, they have bigger fish to fry like making sure the electric isn't cut off. Ditto for other feminist causes. But you can't really miss trans in the media, and unlike some aspects of feminism, it's easier for them to see the direct impact on their daily lives.

For those who haven't seen it, this is the first video. Trigger warning - more of the same.

Also - 'This Never Happens' Facebook page, catalogues crime that 'doesn't happen'.

I can't help but think whether, having undergone a transition, a violent offender will feel that he has become a different person and thus his sentence should no longer apply because that was given to someone else. And whether he would be hopeful that some element of this would creep into the thinking of a parole board.

I got sick of hearing how harmless transwoman are, how they're all the nicest person you could hope to meet. Have they met every single one?

Me too, me too.

Actually, I am not sure the question of whether they met any trans even matters.

I was once asked by a TRA whether I "actually knew any trans in real life" in an attempt to convince me that they were all lovely and harmless and I would know this if I knew any in real life.

Hours later I saw that this person's trans friend had written the usual death threats to "terfs" on his blog (which I knew she followed)

So, clearly, the TRAs are able to take everything they know about trans and put it in some nice, locked closet somewhere in their mind, never to look at it, while talking to feminists and spewing their propaganda.

I feel faintly queasy watching that "This Never Happens" video

Perhaps Paris Lees would care to view it and consider whether her "I just want to do a little lady tinkle" article ought to at least recognise that This Does Happen, even if the overall risk is argued to be small

On the Jeremy corbynn page, I did see perhaps 3 or 4 people saying they were transgender and that they were not supportive of self identification. Mostly they were ignored but one was targeted with the usual abuse. On the plus side there was lots of men stating they did not want men in spaces with their daughters and wives.

I'm sick of hearing how they're being raped and murdered. It's happening EVERY DAY don't you know. Each one of them sounds exactly the same, they say the same stupid shit.

Oh what a surprise Corbyn jumping on another bandwagon

Ffs get on with some real work Brexit is the issue of the moment not siding with some jumped up men who feel they are women to such a degree they are informing real women (yes real its biological and nothing can change that) what they should accept

Twitter showing a pic of Susie Green of Mermaids at Downing st.

twitter.com/Newsround_Blog/status/888711707689979905

Anyone know when this was? Can't find anything else

I find that a worrying picture. Whose ear does she have, I wonder. She is a pushy parent, not an expert in anything.

Yes I do too. And given JC's statement this week, Theresa May might think this is a popular policy to introduce now to give her much needed Brownie Points. I think we may need to make noise

Yes , well done Saint Jeremy.

I don't think May's recent talk about ideas from other parties deserved the ridiculing it got given that there is a need for consensus where consensus is possible. (The result on NI abortion was a brilliant example of working together)

Saint Jeremy has made it pretty much impossible for her not to go along with this.