Not everyone who menstruates is female.

[FeralBeryl]

I simply have no words
Oh actually I do - What The Fuck?!

*work something into that!

"I'm not having a go at you, I just don't get what the gains are? The actual gains."

Is it to stop them being referred to as feminine products, and advertised using women only? So instead of a women roller skating or playing football, we can have a man canoeing across the Atlantic "with confidence".

Nobody seems fussed about the male grooming aisle, though.

Cass Clemmer is an interesting person.

In July 2015 she was working for an organisation called We Will Speak Out, "raising awareness for sexual and gender based violence (SGBV). A large part of the work she does focuses on SGBV that happens within churches and communities.". Note, I am not misgendering her, the article describes her using female pronouns. It also says that "Cass Clemmer works for IMA World Health as a consultant for the WeWillSpeakOut.US movement. She uses her background as a current Gender & Sexuality Studies major at American University as well as her own personal experiences to raise awareness for sexual violence within our communities." and describes her as the daughter of missionaries and survivor of sexual assault.

And yet by the end of 2016 she is publishing a colouring book featuring Toni the Tampon and a host of other "period pals" and describing herself as trans and queer.

Apparently Cass is doing all this to raise awareness that it's not only women that menstruate, but I'm not entirely sure what this actuall means in practical terms

I am very fussed about the male grooming aisle.

I'm not sure why and I'm pretty sure that given time I won't be able to make up a convincing enough reason

But I do think they should just have a grooming aisle it could have stuff like dog brushes in it and human brushes

They could also add the Elastoplasts, dressing and bandages to the newly created Bleeders section.

I suspect many female trans people have been sexual abused. It seems Cass has spent a great deal of time trying to deal with it and helping others who have suffered.

But, Cass cannot expect women to deny their biology or moderate their language. It isn't random who menstruate, its women and girls. Cass is young, so probably doesn't remember a time when mensuration wasn't talked about so freely,
so doesn't understand how damaging it can be by being coy about who it actually happens to.

OlennasWimple

From what I have read, sexual assault is a fairly common background in the lives of transmen. Which I find quite understandable.

I find it harder to understand how a transman would then campaign against sexual violence, at the same time as campaigning for trans-people.

Knowing about violence against women and apparently agreeing that you can identify out of it, are viewpoints at odds with another.

Many many transmen are victims of sexual abuse and/or on the autistic spectrum. Make of that what you will.

I don't know when 'identifying as' something became a thing, but I think it's fairly new. I do wonder if it's linked to the amount of time people (especially young people) are spending online, where you can to a large extent be whoever you say you are and there isn't the reality check you get with face-to-face encounters

Excellent point.

I also remember the start of the 'self identifying' movement which seemed to happen in the early 2000s. Suddenly we were encouraged to ask people what their ethnicity was rather than make assumptions based on their appearance - ask them their sexual orientation rather than assume based on their 20 year marriage. Both are right and fair approaches and I'm sure some horrible and racist assumptions were made by police for example. However this has now been taken to the extreme and the belief seems to be that people should be able to self identify every little thing about themselves regardless of reality.

This article seems to be along the same sort of lines (again, I couldn't finish the article). Transmen getting pregnant and facing negative reactions. People doing double takes and finding it strange that a man is accessing pregnancy services, etc.

With regards to being a woman, this means that we must abandon the belief that only women can get their period or get pregnant. Associating womanhood with pregnancy reflects outdated science.

Transgender men and pregnancy," found that throughout their pregnancy many men report a crisis in their gender identity, feeling the pressure to live up to ‘‘social norms that define a pregnant person as woman and a gestational parent as mother.’’

Men who become pregnant exist, and they will continue to suffer unless we forgo our association with womanhood and pregnancy.

I can't help feeling that the entire problem would disappear if trans-people just identified as trans. Their problems are unique to them. They are not the problems of natal born women and natal born men.

Changing language, viewpoints, and services to cater to the smallest fraction of the population, who clearly have mental issues entangled in their identity, at the expense of the rest of the population is unacceptable.

If a transman is upset because they're getting negative reactions to insisting they are a man who is pregnant, and at the same time getting upset if they can't access things for men, it's cake and eat it on steroids.

www.attn.com/stories/18266/why-we-need-stop-associating-womanhood-pregnancy?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=internal

Men who become pregnant exist, and they will continue to suffer unless we forgo our association with womanhood and pregnant

I'm just going to say this. If you get pregnant then you aren't a man. If your gender identity is man then you can't also have pregnancy. So if you choose to get pregnant because you have working reproductive organs and that makes you sad then frankly I don't care. Redefining womanhood and motherhood for a tiny number of females who get pregnant then get sad about it is fucking outrageous.

Redefining womanhood and motherhood for a tiny number of females who get pregnant then get sad about it is fucking outrageous.

Exactly. Who the fuck thinks it's acceptable? Why?

As this gets more mainstream, women who love being women, love being mothers and celebrate their motherhood/womanhood are going to get right royally fucked off.

Men who become pregnant exist

No they do not.

Women who identify as men, become pregnant

Olennas that's really interesting re. Clemmer's background and explains a lot. I had a quick google and feel quite a lot of compassion for Clemmer now (although no more respect for their position on this matter). Clemmer's no snowflake and probably has quite a lot to work through and rebel against, alongside dealing with the sexual assault.

I'm not suggesting that the Clemmers are fundamentalists. But if you have hours to spare and an interest in the effect of American religious fundamentalist subculture on women, I highly recommend digging around these forums:

www.freejinger.org

I'd like to complain to the head honcho's at vogue re the unprofessional nature of the editor's twitter comment and photo. I don't want the complaint to go to him, I want it to go to above him.

Anyone know how to do this?

Also, just re-asking a question from earlier... I'm a bit confused because I thought that the main reason boys wanted anal sex was the penile sensation - i.e. the tightness. I didn't think that boys (aka prostate owners) actually wanted girls to fuck them up the arse with fingers or dildos. Have I got it wrong? I'm curious because my quick skim of the article didn't seem to focus on penile pleasure?

YetAnotherSpartacus

Well that's very true. I'm not reading it again, but I don't remember anything about the sensation the boy will feel.

Which reinforces that the article is directed towards girls, not boys.

Sorry, 13 year old, underage girls.

It referred to the anal sensation of those with prostates, but I don't think it referred to anything penile?

I don't think they did, either. But I simply can't read it again.

Oh bother - I've got the wrong fucking thread. Sorry!

Oh, sorry, I was replying as though you were talking about the other thread! I just think they're both sides of the same coin. Sorry