Can you lot explain this to me in words of one syllable

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Facebook twatrery.

So I've been called

A TRA

A TERF

Transphobic

Homophobic

And

Dangerous

For saying that I as a heterosexual cis woman am sexually attracted to men.

that seems to cover a lot of bases.

Anyone care to explain?

Or have they all been on the koolaid?

A TRA and a TERF?

I have no explanation. But it shows how confused the thinking on this topic has become (from those calling you names, not you).

Sounds horrible. Are these people your actual friends?!

Facebook group. I've left. You'll be surprised to know.

I don't get how I can be a TERF and a TRA at the same time. Nor do I understand how it is dangerous to young people confused about their sexuality for me personally to have an attraction to men.

Words of one syllable fail me.

I can only offer this in addition to your

Yet another reason discussing these things on much of social media is beyond trying. I refuse to use "cis" though.

I said that I found cis offensive and was told that it wasn't offensive I had no right to say it was and that the person concerned had every right to call me it.

I then pointed out that asking others to use preferred pronouns and yet consistently calling someone else by a moniker they find offensive was rather hypocritical.

That didn't go well.

How fucking dare they try to label you something you don't identify with.
id be telling them from now on they're nothing more than cocks in frocks and watching them fume tbh.
If it's ok for them to label you something you aren't why isn't it ok for us to tell them that a man in a dress is a... man in a dress?

That they feel they have the right to label you as such and decide you identify with the gender deemed appropriate for your sex says it all - not identifying others as women if they define as such is "actual violence" though. So regressive and entrenching outdated notions of gender we should be fighting against; it's very concerning.

I said that not quite in those terms cock. I wouldn't call them a man in a frock because that's offensive and sinking to their level. But yes. That level of hypocrisy.

Yes nolove

I just don't understand the whole reasoning behind the insults.

How is saying I personally am heterosexual homophobic or transphobic?

Apparently refusing to sleep with a man who has a vagina/woman with a penis is homophobic/transphobic etc etc. a lesbian lady was lambasted for refusing to sleep with a man who for all intents and purposes looked like a man, talked like a man, dressed like a stereotypical man and had a cock. She was lambasted as he "identified as female" so she should've slept with him not doing so was transphobic there was an article or thread somewhere about this I'll try to find it - might be along those lines though.
It wouldn't surprise me if you're called transphobic or homophobic based on that.

What they were saying was that it wasn't about the personal it was "in general" and I said that sexual attraction is always personal.

I may be attracted to heterosexual men but that doesn't mean I am attracted to ALL heterosexual men there has to be the frisson. And neither would a gay man be attracted to me.

It was awful the abuse and I don't understand it at all. I seemed to be hung up either way and both ways. I couldn't do anything right.

I then pointed out that asking others to use preferred pronouns and yet consistently calling someone else by a moniker they find offensive was rather hypocritical.

I see this all over the place and also find it deeply inconsistent. There doesn't seem to be an explanation beyond 'cisgender is not an offensive term'. Even when people say that they find it offensive.

OTOH I think it's unreasonable to go through life expecting not to be offended. So they can call me cisgender if they like. But not expect me to stay silent about why I think it's a nonsense descriptor.

I too don't understand how you can be called a TRA and a terf. They are polar opposites. And suggest someone is a bit confused (easily done).

Saying you are only attracted to males makes you a bigoted transphobe under the ideology.

Gender identity has replaced biological sex. Not only that, it has erased biological sex.

A man who identifies as a woman is a woman. Born a woman, always a woman. His penis is a female organ. He is exactly the same as a woman like you, except his anatomy is configured slightly differently. And aren't all women's anatomy a little different from one another, after all?

This agenda is being pushed by people who are born male who want sex. The reason you are wrong for being attracted to the male sex is because many transwomen (so born men) remain attracted to women. They can't identify as a woman and remain attracted to women without saying they're lesbians.

In which case homosexuality does not exist on the basis of sex. And by extension, neither does heterosexuality.

This ideology erases every single biological difference between men and women because some men want more sex whilst getting aroused by identifying as a woman.

You are 'dangerous' because you see it as the steaming pile of misogynistic, predatory, desperate bullshit that it is.

And you're really not helping deluded, narcissistic men get more sex.

Check your privilege.

And I'm NOT cis ffs.

I'm Spartacus, now and forever.

It's tiresome bullshit.

I don't tend to say I'm offended if I'm called cis gendered.

I'm not "offended". They're just wrong. I have no gender identity, so there is no way for there to be congruence between my birth sex and my "gender identity". I'm a feminist - gender is a hierarchy, not a descriptor that can usefully be applied to an individual.

I think it's important to be clear that it's not about taking umbrage - it's about getting words right.

Chin up, OP, there is a lot of fuckery out there, don't take it to heart, just carry on living your standards.

I think it's important to be clear that it's not about taking umbrage - it's about getting words right.

Does that work Pooch? I see so many of these conversations ending up over the right to be oppressed (and therefore an aspiration to oppression) vs actual, verifiable oppression.

Which is why it causes offence.

But then the entire conversation just degenerates into a playground insistence over who is worse off.

And in my head I'm thinking, being oppressed doesn't alter your sex. Stop it. It's irrelevant.

Do you get any progress by ignoring any offence, on either side?

"How is saying I personally am heterosexual homophobic or transphobic?"
Ah, don't you know that you're supposed to 'work through' your preferences? Your claim to heterosexuality means that you are rejecting same-sex partners, and that's homophobic. And by preferring men, you are rejecting transmen. Or maybe it's rejecting the penises of transwomen, it's hard to tell any more.

It sounds as if that FB group is just chock-full of the professionally offended.

I'm guessing the person that called you a TRA doesn't know what that is.

Here's the thing. To kool aiders, TRAs etc. there is a rule, which is

"Heads I win, tails you lose". They have no concept of biology, no concept of logic, no concept of fairness. They believe they are God almighty and it's their way or the highway.

We should not indulge their fantasies. Words such as gender should be binned when what we actually mean is sex. Cis is a meaningless crap word to 'other' anyone who is not on board with their fantasies. It's too meaningless to even be offensive.

I cannot think why any sane person indulges these types. We tiptoe around being too sensitive to risk offending these snowflakes while they blunder round like a bull in a china shop feeling free to offend any person who doesn't buy into their Alice in Wonderland world.

Enough FFS.

It probably doesn't achieve what I would like it to, datun, but I at least feel a bit better for not accepting what someone else is trying to tell me my reaction is.

I just don't understand how I can be a TERF and then two posts later someone else calls me a TRA.

It's deffo somewhere I'm best off out of.

I still don't understand how me being heterosexual has any danger to anyone else. I mean. Anyone else can be and do whatever they like with anyone with whom they have consent to do it. My PERSONAL preference is for a man with cock and balls and born a man who identifies as a man and who I want to get naked with.

But anyone else is free to get naked with women men trans anyone they choose.

Is that wrong of me somehow?

Is that wrong of me somehow?

If course it isn't wrong!

1st rule of misogyny - women disagreeing is hate speech.

Here you go, OP - [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5GYlZKfBmI Riley J Dennis can explain it all to you....]

OP, if you watch the Riley J Dennis video above, these are two further videos worth watching.

The first is by Magdelen Berns, a feminist lesbian, who was barred from her LGBT group at university for saying that, as a lesbian, she wouldn't sleep with a transwomen because they are male.

She is incredibly incisive and showers clarity on this issue that consistently defaults to unintelligibility in order to confuse.

The second is a critique by Taylor Fogarty of a video made by Riley J Dennis's girlfriend.

What you have been subjected to is the natural extension of what these videos are about. Riley J Dennis is a man who is attracted to women. Therefore your sexual orientation (heterosexuality) doesn't really affect him.

But - he has to undermine lesbianism, because as a transwoman, he identifies as a lesbian. Being male, he has to make gender identity replace biological sex as the basis for sexual orientation.

However, to be consistent, the ideology then has to extend their criticism of homosexuality, to heterosexuality. Which is where you come in.