When your own sibling is a transactivist <sigh>

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Boycotting a national transport network because their driver called them "Sir" (they are 6ft 6 with stubble)

Identifying as a "nympho slut chick" on social media and insisting that they are reclaiming the word slut when pulled up on it.

Insisting that they are "100% feminine female biological woman".

Also "reclaiming" the word dyke.

Denouncing all and sundry for transphobia on a daily basis.

They have autism and I'm absolutely CONVINCED this is at the root of this particular obsession/delusion but sadly they've found a whole community online and to some extent in RL who are encouraging it.

And yeah I'm using "they" which doesn't come easy at all. I don't really know what else I can do and still maintain some sort of family relationship. They will one day be my responsibility as our parents had him very late (I'm much older) and they may well never be able to live fully independently. I cannot become estranged but FFS!!

I now think/hope so too. Let's hope that this happens before laws are fundamentally changed
Yes sticklebrix this is what worries me also. Following political developments in Canada has shown what can happen.

I sometimes feel a shiver of horror at how quickly logic was dumped in favour of self expression.

WhattheChuff

How women are dumped in favour of men.

Make more sense now?

Yes pretty much thought that after I read it back to myself. Same old shit, eh?

sticklebrix - I would suggest that not allowing self-identification would be a good way to sort the sheep from the goats, along with a ban on hormone therapy / puberty blockers until at least age 18 and no irreversible surgery until at least age 21. And no switching genders from one day to the next - you are what is says on either your birth certificate or a GRC

That sounds like a reasonable framework to me OlennasWimple.

It's very difficult for young adults to get a vasectomy or be sterilised, even when they are certain that they don't want children. Allowing hormones and gender reassignment surgery at a young age seems incredibly inconsistent.

sticklebrix

Puberty blockers must be taken just after the onset of puberty. I think the time is about three months in. After monitoring hormone levels.

In 2010 the average age for the onset of puberty in girls was ten and a half.

They are expecting girls, who are still in primary school, to be able to make a decision that will affect the rest of their lives and leave them sterile.

Despite puberty blockers being marketed as reversible, almost 100% of young people who start on them go on to use cross sex hormones.

Datun It's so, so inconsistent isn't it?

Despite puberty blockers being marketed as reversible, almost 100% of young people who start on them go on to use cross sex hormones.

I can completely believe it. Not to mention all the other side effects of blockers. Do you have a source for the 100pc figure? Not doubting you, but would be a good one to quote in heated discussions.

Most women expect a certain amount of sexism from men. How difficult is it to now to call out male sexism from someone who says they are a woman

That's the crux of it and (I think) that's the bit they love. It's catch 22 - become the thing you hate (and oppress), but in fantasy only, and use that against them. I don't think many of the ones I have come across even have AGP - I think they are woman haters first and foremost.

sticklebrix

I don't think the hundred percent figure is particularly controversial. I believe it is generally accepted from both sides. But with different arguments. The trans lobby will say it's because the children know, whereas gender critical people (and many medics) will say it's because once you start affirming an identity it's very difficult for an immature and under developed child to reverse it all. Especially as puberty blockers block maturity!

Link below to an analysis.

But if you go onto gendertrender and type puberty blocker in the search box, they provide you with some very in-depth information, studies and articles.

You will be incandescent with rage by the end, though.

www.google.co.uk/amp/dailysignal.com/2017/06/20/new-paper-says-puberty-blockers-arent-answer-gender-confusion/amp/

I don't think many of the ones I have come across even have AGP - I think they are woman haters first and foremost.

The evolution of my attitude is very telling. At first I thought God just bring back your common or garden casual sexist, anything is better than these fetishists.

Now I'm beginning to look back fondly on the autogynephiles, when faced with these psychopathically violent misogynists.

The evolution of my attitude is very telling

I think mine went backwards from yours. I experienced the young misogynists first and only learned about the middle-aged AGPs second. My first experience was in 'real life' and the internet second.

YetAnotherSpartacus

I suppose that's unsurprising, really.

I think maybe the AGP crowd do confine themselves to 'online' threats. In real life they're much more stealth about it all. It's part of the thrill.

mmmmm ... I guess I mainly come across the activist community in my travels. I think they probably do differ. The activist community is also home to a number of FtTs who I am extremely sceptical of. I think it was Vestal who posted a while ago about the latent misogyny of this group (not in this thread) (??) and I have to say that I do agree with this given some of my experiences.

I've seen some FtT using the most awful insults ever. Not just highly gendered but impressively creative regarding the depths to which they plummet.

There is a lot of anger.

And it's quite true that this anger never gets directed towards the perpetrators of the crimes against trans people - men.

I genuinely don't understand the rage towards women. Yes the men view us as gatekeepers to their sex life.

But when does disappointment turn to full on, frothing rage.

It's particularly reserved for feminists. But it's not feminists, as a group, who are gate keeping their sex life.

Is it because feminists 'see' them? Because they've nailed it?

How does that account for the handmaiden's rage and FtM rage?

I think they take their anger at patriarchy out on women instead, because they know women won't fight back and won't harm them.

One "nonbinary" I (thank goddess) only encountered online and who called me all kinds of horrid names had her photo and probably (I didn't go looking) personal data online, easily accessible to anyone.

They feel so safe.

They would not dare do this to men who know how they look and where they live, I am sure.

I think they take their anger at patriarchy out on women instead, because they know women won't fight back and won't harm them.

But only feminists. Not any other women. They don't go onto knitting sites and raise merry hell.

They must go after feminists because they think feminists are gatekeeping 'womanhood'.

(And not actual womenhood, the real gender roles that women have forced upon them. Only those which they perceive as fun, sexy, etc.).

Bootsandbraces I disagree. I think you can interpret messages around you, copy behaviours, look for answers as to why you feel unhappy or out of place and come to the conclusion that you must be trans because it seems to fit. Sorry, I'm not explaining myself very well. Not 'infected' but affected by it - social contagion

You can't be infected by anorexia either, but social contagion is a real phenomena.

I don't watch it as a whole program, but from what I have read, and the clips I've watched, stuff is going to hit the fan very soon with Jazz Jennings - that kid has been lied to and mislead their entire life, and now find themselves physically and mentally immature, completely unprepared for what's going to come in the next couple of years, and splashed right in the middle of the spotlight.

When Jazz inevitably has a breakdown, I think a lot of people will wake up to the harm being done to kids. I just wish so many won't have already been irreversibly damaged before we get there.

But only feminists. Not any other women. They don't go onto knitting sites and raise merry hell

Sure. Feminists are who their male friends hate, so they ingratiate themselves to those male friends by attacking feminists.

I suppose they wouldn't be able to handle the cognitive dissonance of attacking knitting sites; as the women there are stereotyped as "harmless" - they can paint feminists as the enemy because feminists stand up for themselves, which women aren't allowed to do under patriarchy.

Though I do wonder how misogynist they are towards knitting grannies in their everyday lives. I mean, they are filled to the brim with internalized misogyny, how likely is it that nothing leaks out if they meet no feminists they can take it out on?

I suppose every woman whom they can possibly paint as enemy, and be it only the waitress who addressed them as female, will feel their wrath.

The "ana" sites are awful. Grirls grooming girls, it looks like ( might not be the reality of course). I think there are parallels.

The "ana" sites are awful. Grirls grooming girls, it looks like ( might not be the reality of course). I think there are parallels.

Yes. I think the transgender has replaced the "ana" thing as a "girls engaging in self-harm in order to relieve their psychological pain at being oppressed under patriarchy" thing. Or also as way for girls to look less like women and get less harrassment, plain and simple.

Sadly, yes.

There is a high prevalence of eating disorders in the trans community.

This article seems to be saying two different things, though.

Firstly that they turn to an eating disorder because of the stress of being trans. Not being supported, being discriminated against, etc.

But then goes on to say many transwomen will acquire an eating the disorder in an effort to change their appearance in order to comply with a western ideals.

Of course that's men's ideals, which she doesn't say.

Could just be me, but I get pissed off with the assumption that trans-people are unstable because of people's reaction to them. Not the other way around - that people react like that, because the person is already unstable.

I realise it could easily be a chicken and egg situation. But co morbid mental health issues in the trans community are well documented.

The suggestion that if everyone just agreed with everything they said would make them perfectly fine, seems to me to be disingenuous.

It's a strategy that's guaranteed to fail. It invites failure by relying on other people, all other people, to go against their own interests.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.teenvogue.com/story/transgender-youth-eating-disorders/amp