Ched Evans explains to women how to not get raped

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www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/ched-evans-warns-women-getting-13052701

We just need to not get drunk apparently, as genuine rapists will prey on us if we're hammered. Well, that's a relief. I thought there might be a bit more to it than that, but it seems not.

FFS

He's a disgusting animal, but a statement is either true or false regardless of whether it comes from a saint or a sinner...

The best thing he could do is sit down and STFU.

Also how fucking offensive for him to say him and the victim are both victims in this, whilst he gets to sit in his ivory tower earning ££ for kicking a ball around his victim has been hounded out of her home and has had to go through numerous changes of identity in order to try and lead a peaceful life without harassment. There really is no comparison.

It's outrageous. He's a fucking arse.

You're saying it's good advice, avon?

It's not good advice. The vast majority of rapes are perpetrated by men known to the victim, in their own home, by men who know exactly what they are doing. Saying to women "don't drink too much else you might get raped" perpetuates the stereotype of rape being something that happens down a dark alley, with a stranger, or that women cry rape after drunken, regretted sex. It deflects from the reality, so while on the surface it seems to make sense, in fact it's saying "make sure he rapes someone else, not you".

Women who get drunk deserve one thing: a hangover.

Pooch... I think what Avon's advice says is that if you're drunk and someone rapes you it's partly your fault, or possibly that it's not "rape rape" or even that, if you're not drunk, a rapist will rape a different woman, so it's ok. It's just too hard to expect men not to rape women who've had a few, rapists gotta rape, amirite?

Far too hard, xeno. Hurt feelings might well ensue.

W T A F ???

Give me actual strength. Where do you even begin? He's clearly someone who will never get it. Not ever. What an utter scumbag. That poor woman, I hope she is having some kind of peace and quiet and normality wherever she is

" i was a teenager off my arse drunk on a night out and I accept some responsibility for what happened to me. If i hadn't put myself in a vulnerable position i wouldn't have been attacked"

Please don't think like this. If you were walking along the pavement and a drunk driver mounted the pavement and knocked you down, would you accept some responsibility for that because you knew it was a risk and you still made yourself vulnerable by leaving the house?
What about if you went out and when you came home you'd been burgled? Would you accept some responsibility for that because you should have left a car on the drive/left a light on/put an extra three locks on the door?
The idea of being responsible for making yourself vulnerable is a horrid one. Most women who are raped are just going about their lives, not making themselves vulnerable. With no other crime would you be expected to share responsibility just because you didn't quite plan well enough to deter that hypothetical assailant from targeting you.

You cannot talk about women who are raped in one breath and then men who rape in the other and make it even part of the same issue.

Because only one of those things will stop men raping. And it's not the woman.

Furthermore, you can talk about rapists for 99% of the time and the women they rape for 1% of the time, and is that 1% who will get all the scrutiny and questions.

Anyone in a position of authority who is talking about rape should speak 100% of the time about the rapist. If they have to mention the victim, it should only be as a means to demonstrate the harm done to them.

It's quite timely with the Rochdale programme. It's attitudes like that which allowed the men to get away with their vile crimes for so long.

COLLIDASCOPE I think as a survivor myself it's naive and potentially dangerous to pretend that wearing provocative clothing or being drunk don't heighten your risk of being attacked.

The responsibility not to rape lies with the man, but pretending we shouldn't safeguard ourselves just because we shouldn't have too is frankly a bit ridiculous in my opinion.

I wish we lived in a world where women were safe, but unfortunately we aren't.

But user, the factor that really makes us more vulnerable is associating with men. You're more at risk sitting at home with your male friend or husband or partner or ex partner than you are walking along the street on your own, because those are the people most likely to rape or assault. But we aren't accused of making ourselves vulnerable for having male friends and partners; it's always provocative clothes or alcohol. It's just a judgement call on women for being a bit too 'wild'.

it's naive and potentially dangerous to pretend that wearing provocative clothing or being drunk don't heighten your risk of being attacked.

Very true.

Take Saudi Arabia for instance. Women have to cover themselves from head to toe and you can bet there's certainly no getting drunk for them there. As a result of this, rape in Saudi Arabia is virtually non existent.

Oh wait...

it's naive and potentially dangerous to pretend that wearing provocative clothing or being drunk don't heighten your risk of being attacked.

There are lots of risks of being drunk and most of them apply to men too. Therefore it is inherently wrong to tell women not to drink but not men.

Explain provocative clothing user. What are clothes doing to provoke? I think you'll find provocative is in the eye of the beholder. Most beholders have no interest in raping a woman and so won't consider the clothing provocative. The ones who want to rape, will do it with or without clothing being present. I was raped in bed by my long term partner. Women aren't being consistently raped on beaches or swimming pools wearing bikinis or being topless.

it's naive and potentially dangerous to pretend that wearing provocative clothing or being drunk don't heighten your risk of being attacked.

It's hideous victim blaming to say this. All this ridiculous advice says is "try to make sure someone else is raped not you". "Provocative clothing" is also an abhorrent comment (also where does that end seeing as nearly everything a woman could wear is sexualised in the mainstream - is school uniform provocative seeing as sexualising it is so common?). Do you suggest women should never leave the house or live with any men?

It's impossible to "safeguard ourselves" against being raped. Absolutely impossible.

I was sober btw. And I fucking hate that I even need to say that. Because it's irrelevant. Or at least it should be.

It is completely irrelevant. All women and girls are at risk of rape. I can think of two cases in the last couple of years alone of pensioners being raped when trying to go about their business. This nonsense that women could in any way prevent rape is misogynist victim blaming in an attempt to limit women's lives whilst never actually confronting the real issue - men who choose to rape.

I can't bring myself to read this, the quotes on here are bad enough. 'Genuine rapists'
My then boyfriend raped me, no alcohol was involved, is he genuine or not?

He is utter self delusional dangerous scum. I hate the fact he will is now back at his old club and is going back to his life if Riley unhindered simply because his rich fiancees family bankrolled his appeals. Sickening

i don't think its nonsense to say we should take steps to protect ourselves. I'm not saying anything other than that, but some people are determined to take the worst out of any comment made on this subject.

its not how it should be but i see no sense in ignoring the way it is just because we should be allowed to go about our lives as free people.

i don't think its nonsense to say we should take steps to protect ourselves.

It is nonsense when it comes from someone who at best took advantage of a drunk woman himself, at worst well... No comment.

It's hypocrisy of the highest order.

Such concern for us women, Ched, how touching. What advice are you giving to men who let themselves into a mate's hotel room and stick bits of themselves uninvited into a woman they barely know and who is too drunk to say the word "consent", never mind mean it?