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Is it bad that I'm slightly happy about this?

(Obviously, I'm not happy about people losing their jobs - except maybe Riley)

datun you're cracking me up on this thread

Feel so sorry for people being deflated and not present. What a world we live in, eh? Hard, hard times.

Maybe she could carry a laminated card to hand out to harassed waiters or shop assistants.

They do. They have tip cards (according to the article) that they leave with the tip and which offer harassed waitstaff useful thoughts on alternative pronouns. Which is odd because according to the bio at the end of the piece they are passionate about the value of dialogue...except when it comes to restaurants because actually talking to the staff is too achy-making.

Use these instead of gendered group addresses and have a great time coming up with new ones.

Fuck off

y’all

Seriously...fuck off

correct a few simple quirks of the English language

What now?

Fuck off

Substitute gender-based descriptors like ‘that women over there with blond hair’ for gender-neutral ones like ‘that blond person in the green skirt.

Fuck off

Oh and anyone trotting up to my table with a cheery 'hello friends' is going to get this look a lot

For goodness sake!!

Its just so patronising

And the 'watch your coffee shop thrive' bit...!!

PerspicaciaTick

God, you're right! I honestly couldn't make it to the end of the article. What with all the aching, presence reduction, and wholesale deflation.

Unfortunately, my perseverance has now brought out my inner medic.

I can't be anyone concerned about these symptoms, surely?

"And, at the same time, it saps the energy from my muscles, it renders my voice quiet, it makes my fists tremble,"

*the only one

I am genuinely curious what the problem is with using gender neutral pronouns? You then don't need to try and figure out/or ask and then remember loads of individual pronouns. People regularly use 'they' when the sex/gender of the person you are talking about isn't known, that's not changing the English language.

I do agree that y'all is awful...unless you're southern US lol

Of course it's changing the language.

They and them is normal in some contexts but not in a face to face service setting.

Are pronouns not dependent on sex rather than gender anyway? We need someone form Pedants Corner

I'm so glad this is happening.

This sort of 'feminism' is giving everyone a bad name. These are the sorts of people who have the loudest voices, who shut down debate on twitter and who young people are getting their ideas of feminism from.

The whole page about them reads as a 'how can I prove how under privileged and special I am'. Is Michón Neal also the Mother of Dragons?

loopsdefruit

'They' only works in certain situations. As soon as you are talking about two people, it stops working.

My previous post uses both "they" to mean the writer of the piece and "they" to mean the writer and their partner. It isn't clear which meaning applies to which parts of the post. Fortunately it doesn't really matter in this case - but it could be seriously confusing in other situations.

I would be happy to call someone by the pronoun they prefer

I would have no problem not refering to a group of people i wasnt sure of as ladies or guys etc

I do have a problem with someone insisting that i switch round all logical use of the English language because its literal violence not to

Some people like to be referred as ZE etc

It's either he or she. I'm not farting around trying to decide which gender or animal they've chosen to be that day. All this fluid malarky is all well and good, if thats how they feel, but I'm not asking every day to ensure I'm not 'misgendering'.

It also doesn't sit right with me anyway because I'm not sure how someone can feel like a man or feel like a woman. What exactly does either feel like.

Expecting someone on minimum wage to give a shiny shite about your pronoun is the ultimate in privilege.

This is a very interesting article about the use of language to obscure meaning.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2011/02/21/pedomorphisis-and-the-abortive-language-of-transgenderism/

Omg that salad article! Do they even hear themselves?

Oh and that person who describes themselves as noetisexual made the term up
Not only is she so supremely self absorbed as to think that liking people for their personality is a special type of sexuality specific to her, she also gave it a name and expects people to look up the meaning (which takes you right back to the EF page)
What a fanny

Careful, AdalindSchade. I think 'fanny' might be gendered language

Expecting someone on minimum wage to give a shiny shite about your pronoun is the ultimate in privilege.

Yes, it's amazing they don't get that. Or perhaps not.

Datun
Their staff page sounds like 'marginalised buzzword' tom trumps.
Sort of I'm oppressed, no I'm oppressed more. But I also have x y z labels so I'm even more oppressed than you oh no. My buzz words might make me sound like some self indulged moron... quick... think... oh yes. I love coffee and cake so I'm just like you. No, too mainstream... but u also like exploring native american spirituality and how it can be fused with yoga for a truely postmodern sense of contemporary mindfullness

Gender neutral pronouns used to be advocated by radical / anarchist feminists and it was the liberals who used to roll their eyes. See Marge Piercy 'Woman on the Edge of Time' if you don't believe me. :)

maisy

I honestly fail to understand half of it. It feels like a few, buzzword like you said, chucked in a bag and plucked out.