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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Everyday Feminism may be closing!

151 replies

Terfing · 06/05/2017 22:20

everydayfeminism.com/donate-to-ef/

Is it bad that I'm slightly happy about this?

(Obviously, I'm not happy about people losing their jobs - except maybe Riley)

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socialworkhopeful · 30/08/2017 09:28

gerund more not experiencing sexual attraction unless you find a connection with a person's mind and how it works. So, what the person looks like is irrelevant, I think it's like an identity within the asexual umbrella, a form of demisexuality.

GerundTheBehemoth · 30/08/2017 10:12

Thanks, that makes it sound a bit less like something that almost everyone experiences.

Just realised I don't know what RA is either, unless they mean the Egyptian sun-god.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 30/08/2017 10:15

Ridiculous acting? Or possibly royal acting, as in, expecting everyone to constantly defer to them. Hey, it's a valid identity!

Crappacino · 30/08/2017 10:18

A woman with a vagina who wears dresses and is obsessed with salad.
That's not gender neutral, it's like she's learned to be a woman from a Weight Watcher's ad. I bet she laughs while she eats them

Crappacino · 30/08/2017 10:20

Also I was unaware lefties were seen as a vulnerable minority now. I suppose every pair of scissors they see left on a colleague's desk is seen as some sort of micro aggression.

DamsonGin · 30/08/2017 10:33

I didn't realise so many people disliked them, I'm in good company. Had to stop following them on fb some time ago, it all started off so well but has drifted into some twilight zone. Tbh, I'd be happy if someone just put 'female' on their bio and left it at that.

Datun · 30/08/2017 10:41

But when misgendering is fired at me, it’s often through cisgenderism or general ignorance

Ignorance is right. How the hell do they know what your navel gazing has turned up today.

When my partner and I are gendered, it’s as if the air deflates a bit.
Achy feelings swell and animation fades. Conversation becomes hushed, and our sense of being present is challenged.

Seriously? It may be just me.

An entire article banging on about her presentation and what it means personally in terms of her appearance, how it needs to reflect her inner core (or whatever) and
complaining about waiting staff trying their best to be polite?

No. Sorry. Just no. Other people are working here. They really, really don't give a toss.

If everyone's identity is different, how the hell do they expect people to address that? Especially as appearance is no clue. Maybe she could carry a laminated card to hand out to harassed waiters or shop assistants. Pointing out her pronouns and preferred mode of address (on that day - maybe don't laminated it, it could get expensive ).

Better yet, she could approach the owner of the restaurant and give them a short course. Suggest they ask everyone for their individual pronouns and the possibility of various and ever changing collective nouns. And make sure they understand that a group of five could consist of five separate identities (until pudding, when it call all change).

Because if people really, really start using everyone's preferred pronouns, then no one is special, right?

Perhaps waiting staff should identify as 'people working who don't have time for this shit so we are just addressing everyone as oi you'.

Datun · 30/08/2017 10:42

But when misgendering is fired at me, it’s often through cisgenderism or general ignorance

Ignorance is right. How the hell do they know what your navel gazing has turned up today.

When my partner and I are gendered, it’s as if the air deflates a bit.
Achy feelings swell and animation fades. Conversation becomes hushed, and our sense of being present is challenged.

Seriously? It may be just me.

An entire article banging on about her presentation and what it means personally in terms of her appearance, how it needs to reflect her inner core (or whatever) and
complaining about waiting staff trying their best to be polite?

No. Sorry. Just no. Other people are working here. They really, really don't give a toss.

If everyone's identity is different, how the hell do they expect people to address that? Especially as appearance is no clue. Maybe she could carry a laminated card to hand out to harassed waiters or shop assistants. Pointing out her pronouns and preferred mode of address (on that day - maybe don't laminated it, it could get expensive ).

Better yet, she could approach the owner of the restaurant and give them a short course. Suggest they ask everyone for their individual pronouns and the possibility of various and ever changing collective nouns. And make sure they understand that a group of five could consist of five separate identities (until pudding, when it call all change).

Because if people really, really start using everyone's preferred pronouns, then no one is special, right?

Perhaps waiting staff should identify as 'people working who don't have time for this shit so we are just addressing everyone as oi you'.

whoputthecatout · 30/08/2017 10:53

I confess I thought the whole site was a parody.

Datun · 30/08/2017 10:57

whoputthecatout

It's totally serious. And they pay Riley J Dennis to spread his misogynistic bullshit.

MorrisZapp · 30/08/2017 11:10

Calloo callay! Oh happy day!

Everyday Feminism were the BHS of blogging. It's not surprising that they're teetering on extinction, the surprise was that their unpalatable content ever had an audience in the first place.

But I'll always miss that polyester t-shirt dress from 1985 :(

MorrisZapp · 30/08/2017 11:13

Lol, was that the article in which the woman who presents as a woman feels denied her humanity by being addressed as 'ladies' in restaurants, so has had to make the difficult decision to stay home and cook?

I haven't laughed so much since Delboy tripped over the bar.

PatMullins · 30/08/2017 11:15

Datun I think I love you.

Ereshkigal · 30/08/2017 11:20

I confess I thought the whole site was a parody.

Me too, once Grin

VestalVirgin · 30/08/2017 11:34

There's a lot of wasted potential. It would be a perfect parody site.

Kinda like Fifty Shades of Grey, which would be a perfect portrayal of an abusive relationship, but alas, was not intended as such.

The upside is, real feminists can now take the piss and the genderists will never be able to be sure whether it is us making fun of them, or one of their own spouting the usual ridiculous nonsense.

(There's a "gender ed" site somewhere on tumblr that explains human reproduction with genderist-approved vocabulary. She got a death threat, though, so someone must have noticed she was taking the piss)

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/08/2017 12:01

Never was a site more deserving of a generic 'get a grip, people!'.

But, I'll see your Caeser Salad and raise you an 'animal rights are oppressive' - I love this bit:

"3. When Mainstream Vegan Feminists Talk About Animal Rights, They Are Super Trans-Exclusionary

I’ve seen a lot of adverts and signs over the years declaring that being vegan is feminist, and that the animal industry is built on the exploitation of the “female reproductive system” — thereby making it an issue that all women should resonate with.

The problem is that defining what it means to be female as having a uterus, ovaries, vagina, and mammary glands completely erases trans women, trans men, non-binary folks, and anyone whose body doesn’t conform to that super essentialized (and incorrect) definition.

By rooting their analysis of animal rights in this archaic definition of gender, mainstream vegan feminists ignore and exclude the lives of trans folks.

If you want to be a vegan feminist, great! But there’s no need to resort to inaccurate and harmful tropes about biology and reproductive organs to make a point. "

Absolutely fucking priceless Grin!

Datun · 30/08/2017 12:15

WhereYouLeftIt

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't some Machiavellian mastermind, behind all this. Helpless with mirth and incredulous over the stratospheric success of his social experiment.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 30/08/2017 12:23

'When my partner and I are gendered, it’s as if the air deflates a bit.
Achy feelings swell and animation fades. Conversation becomes hushed, and our sense of being present is challenged.'

See, misgendering really is violent.
Imagine deflating someone's air and challenging their sense of being present Sad

VestalVirgin · 30/08/2017 12:36

Yeah, the poor, poor little ... idiots. Idiots is gender neutral, right?

The funny thing (ok, not actually funny) is that those agenders and whatever are very happy to "misgender" other people by a) using agender pronouns for them or b) using male pronouns and forms of address for random strangers they cannot know identify as male.

So, it is only "literal violence" when done to a very special genderist snowflake.
They do it to women without hesitation.

Ereshkigal · 30/08/2017 13:02

When my partner and I are gendered, it’s as if the air deflates a bit.
Achy feelings swell and animation fades.^ Conversation becomes hushed, and our sense of being present is challenged.'^

See, misgendering really is violent. Imagine deflating someone's air and challenging their sense of being present

ROFLMFAO at this. Literally Grin

Ereshkigal · 30/08/2017 13:03

Idiots is nicely gender neutral! No achy feelings to swell.

WillowWeeping · 30/08/2017 13:17

That article is just a whole list of

But what if
But what if
But what if
But what if
But what if
But what if
But what if
But what if

With none of the ifs being a what and therefore about absolutely fucking nothing

Datun · 30/08/2017 13:19

Achy feelings swell and animation fades

Classic case of swings and roundabouts. Where god fades with one hand he swells with another.

Such ingratitude.

thewintergirl · 30/08/2017 18:24

Disappointed this navel gazing purveyor of tripe website is still going! I'm banned sadly, so can no longer comment on their hilarious articles, though my comments were generally deleted quick smart when I did.

Ereshkigal · 31/08/2017 08:34

www.baristamagazine.com/degendering-language-customer-service/

In the same vein, another person who feels low paid service workers don't have enough to worry about. This person would like all you misgendering meanies to think more carefully about your speech. Especially if you work in a coffee shop.

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