Why so much trans bashing on MN?

[leighdinglady]

I just don't get it at all.

Why do I see threads every day on MN which spout hatred and fear about the trans community. What's everyone so scared of??? Literally hundreds of posts of people talking like trans women are somehow a threat to biological women.

For a social platform which is meant to be friendly and approachable, this really stinks.

I think porn has a great deal to do with the trans phenomenon as it stands now. Especially the weird belief that a person with a penis can in any rational fashion be described as a lesbian.

thadfathe of Poochsmooch

Brilliant! I've just fallen in love with you.

the more I have 'Common People' running through my head.

Me too! Had exactly the same thought.

Still you'll never get it right...

Especially the weird belief that a person with a penis can in any rational fashion be described as a lesbian.
If such people fully believe they're lesbians, are they transphobic if they have a preference for sex with XX lesbians rather than with each other?

Well, logic would suggest that, Errol, but logic went out of the window a while back in TRA World

What about this person's partner? Does she consider herself a lesbian?

Lass, I know a woman who is married to a woman (well it was actually a CP). Her wife (which is how she always refers to her) announced she was a transman. My friend was really upset and confused as she felt her wife was effectively changing her sexuality but obviously she was wanted to be supportive. The really odd thing was that they came to a compromise and her wife is now transitioning to nonbinary rather than a transman.

Errol - I've found the answer for you on this REddit thread.

obviously we all know that genital preferences are transphobic (thanks, Riley), but now we also learn that most people are attracted to other people by their secondary sex characteristics, and that in "a lot of cases" women have female secondary sex characteristics and in "a lot of case" men have male secondary sex characteristics. This leaves us with the situation where: "A man dating a trans woman is straight. A woman dating a trans woman is lesbian. A woman dating a trans man is straight. A man dating a trans man is gay." That's really all there is to it, obviously.

Hence MTT being able to post - apparently completely straightfaced - that they are splitting up with their wife because of transitioning and the fact that they are both straight.

I think this means that the MTT's wife has been in a lesbian relationship, because even though she thought that she was marrying a man, he was always actually a woman. Or, more to the point, the MTT is and always has been a gay man but decided transitioning was a better option than coming out.

"her wife is now transitioning to nonbinary rather than a transman"

Can someone explain what the hell that means?"Non-binary" is not a sex so how can one transition to it from Female?

Non binary is now legally recognised in Oregon.
www.google.co.uk/amp/www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/amp/judge-grants-oregon-resident-right-be-genderless-n736971

I think non binary is what most of us have been doing for years, you know, not one stereotype or the other. Only we understand that gender is a construct and our sex remains the same no matter what we wear.

I can sort of see why kids are choosing to go down the NB route and reject/rebel against the what is often forced expectations/stereotypes of their sex.

I might have been considered NB or perhaps gender fluid - just because I wasn't a "typical girl" and often mistaken for a boy.

OlennasWimple

From your link.

People are attracted to secondary sexual characteristics above primary characteristics.

I don't know where to start with that. It's really pissing me off. You see someone across a crowded bar and think they're a woman because of their outward appearance. But they have a penis and are socialised as male. Trying to persuade somebody that it doesn't matter is deceitful. And manipulative.

Trying to convince yourself that it's irrelevant is utterly delusional.

Demanding the entire world agrees that the feeling in your head carries more weight than what everyone else thinks and feels is unspeakably arrogant.

Especially, especially as I have yet to see a transwoman who doesn't emanate constant maleness.

Whatever they think they are feeling, it's not female.

I've seen this argued begore. "So you were attracted to me - how i look, my personalty. Then you find out i'm trans - suddenly you're not attracted to me anymore. This is awful, illogical and transphobic".

It's twisting reality and gaslighting. Many of our young people are buying it though. Maybe in time this thinking around sex and relationships will become the norm.

It's twisting reality and gaslighting. Many of our young people are buying it though. Maybe in time this thinking around sex and relationships will become the norm.

I think people will be gaslighted into believing that. And inwardly struggle every time they are contravening their sexual orientation.

I can see splinter groups setting up new movements for True Blue Gays.

The LGB Community have spent decades asserting that sexual orientation is innate. To suddenly be told that it's actually prejudice it's going to cause carnage.

For what it's worth OP I agree with you but you're basically kicking a wasps nest.

More ploppers

I have no clue what none binary means. I didn't want to press the issue. The only thing I couldpin point was that she changed her name to something gender neutral. I'm not sure what happened with pronouns but my friend still calls her she. I have never spoken to her other than "hello".

I think I essentially have the same problems as I do with other people's strong religious orientation. It's much the same feeling of 'oh ffs, what have I unintentionally said now to offend you?' combined with 'I expect you really do believe that, but I don't, and the problem is that you're shouting at me for it.'

And it seems to have about the same response to logic.

If such people fully believe they're lesbians, are they transphobic if they have a preference for sex with XX lesbians rather than with each other?

Errol, I have seen it said (with an absolutely straight face, not a parody) that it's fine for transwomen to have genital preferences and only sleep with women who have vaginas, because seeing another penis could trigger their dysphoria.

But any woman that's been raped, or is a lesbian, or has any other reason for not wanting a penis in their bed, well, that's transphobic, and "thinking like a rapist", and totes dishonest, because I bet they use dildos, and what is a penis but a flesh dildo anyway, so these bigots are LYING when they say they don't want a penis in their bed...

I've seen that too Annie. Really doesn't matter how you point out the lack of logic, they will just invent something to counter it.

The next time a transwomen says they won't sleep with another transwoman because it triggers their gender dysphoria, I think I might tell them to check their dysphoria privilege.

Narsisicissm in it's most extreme and offensive form. How dare they minmise the murder and mutilation of women in this way and try to make it about them. It's sick, I'm outraged!

Why are so many transwomen narcissistic? It's significantly over represented amongst trans.

When a narcissistic identifies as trans almost everything they say sounds unhinged.