The Gender Critical Manifesto

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Let's put a list of salient points together about what the issues are with the trans agenda. It will be a useful resource.

Have to go off line now. Hopefully back tomorrow

Massive for everybody's hard work on the wiki. I'll catch up tomorrow when I have fresh brains.

I just read your article @NoDecorum it's great! Clear, reasonable, to-the-point. While I was reading it I was thinking how brave you are publishing this under your real name with photo and then I got to the comments. Every single one is positive! In the Huffington Post!

The tide is turning

No I think thorough fact checking is a very good idea. We want all our sources to be watertight.

To counter the misrepresentations and hyperbole of the trans lobby.

I haven't quite got my head around the wiki editing, will have a go!

BMacklin Thank you for tidying up the spare pages. We look a bit less like a school project now

I think some of the articles on Youth Trans Critical Professionals might be a good replacement for the ACP one.

I think we need to steer away from articles that are one person's opinion or one person's commentary (except in a section about personal testimonies from people who are trans or used to be and think the current ideology is flawed, perhaps) - there are SO many of those, and so many anecdotes, but they are easy to counter with NATWALT / just your opinion etc. I like that article but it's light on cross-references to scientific or medical sources.

We definitely should include the DSM V definition of gender dysphoria somewhere, but carefully - I think it's important to avoid pathologising normal childhood identity struggles.

Is there any policy or position statement we can find from a recognised and credible health or social welfare group? I know from talking to friends who are social workers that "let kids be kids" is certainly a prevailing view, but again that's just their opinion as far as I can gather.

I agree we should be going for quality over quantity and as far as possible focusing on well sourced and referenced material. Also we shouldn't try to replicate what's already being done well elsewhere on the web. We could spend the rest of our lives adding examples of invasion of women's spaces or misogynist TRA abuse, for instance, because there are just so many. Luckily these are already being documented on sites like the Woman Means Something violence database and on terfisaslur. So we can just include links to those and a bit of blurb about them.

DSMV - yes, we could put it on the definitions page and keep the language neutral. We also need stuff about how it's normal to have a bit of an identity crisis in adolescence (I read something really powerful about that recently but can't remember where) and about how gender non-conformity is healthy and normal.

I think we'll be lucky to find a helpful position statement from a credible health/social welfare group unfortunately. That's a huge part of the problem - there has been no healthy debate around all this and no 'respectable' groups want to rock the boat.

PencilsInSpace I know you want quality over quantity, but if you want a section with personal accounts from detransitioners I offer you the following links (please choose those you think may be most appropriate):

purplesagefem.wordpress.com/2017/02/07/presentation-on-detransition-at-uspath/amp/

dopplershifts.tumblr.com/post/146341679857/im-having-my-peak-trans-moment-right-now-ive

youthtranscriticalprofessionals.org/2016/06/

4thwavenow.com/2016/04/27/shrinking-to-survive-a-former-trans-man-reports-on-life-inside-queer-youth-culture/

4thwavenow.com/2016/04/21/in-praise-of-gatekeepers-an-interview-with-a-former-teen-client-of-transactive-gender-center/

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/feb/03/experience-i-regret-transitioning

purplesagefem.wordpress.com/2017/02/16/video-faye-haze-reconciles-with-being-female/

OK - I have loads more - but I think that's all I've got time for now! I'll come back later if you want more

Whoops, not sure why there's one video at the end - I didn't mean to have that there - it's not significant in any way.

venus pencils bmacklin
Re video posted by rogue I have googled some of the names mentioned and they are all genuine cases ( Most being reported as 'she')
so I have posted a link to it, with a trigger warning , in the male violence section. If there are no objections I think it should stand as it is a counter to the 'this never happens' argument .The first minute or so especially, perfectly articulates why this is a TA lie

Excellent thanks Lily. I'm going to catch up on this tonight. I haven't abandoned you.

Ghostly
The video at the end is the youtube one you listed about managing dysphoria! It very informative actually I think it should go on the detransition page.
Got to sign off now. Hope to be back tomorrow.

I don't know if this would be useful in any way but there are hundreds of Facebook groups where trans people are seeking relationships with women. They are very clear that they are not interested in transwomen or crossdressers. Or women with body hair!

I wondered if this might be useful in relation to them claiming they are not attracted to women, and that women are transphobic for not sleeping with them. I can't link but one group is called trans women seeking cis girls. There's many more.

Rogue I think that's a really important point - there is a big difference between trans and sexuality. I think because the "T" gets tacked on to the end of LGB, sometimes there is an implication that it's a sexuality rather than something much more wide-reaching.

I've done a big update on the law page. I think I've covered all the relevant current law (still have to do proposed law changes). If there are any legal bods around it would be great if you could cast your eye over it and check I haven't missed out anything or mis-explained any of it.

I think we should also include current law that we could use, e.g. articles 9, 10, 11 of the human rights act (and article 3 for female prisoners who end up housed with transwomen).

Thelilywhite, thanks for adding that, I embedded the video and added a bit of blurb from the youtube page.

BMacklin I also added your link to women and the criminal justice system.

Elanetical There appears to be no way of accessing the full DSM 5 text without a login. There's a link to Magdalen Berns' video on DSM 5 in there somewhere which discusses the criteria in lots of detail. I'll find it and embed that, and put a link to the APA public page on gender dysphoria.

Ghostly for now I have just C&P all your links on the De-Trans page. We need to go through and decide which to keep and tidy them up.

Could we go to a library to read the DSM5 and scan the text for gender dysphoria?

Asking as I'm not sure libraries keep it!

I assume a university library would? If anyone has access to one?

Yes a uni library would probably have it. I think there would be copyright issues if we put up the whole chapter though. I found a PDF of the whole DSM 5 which I doubt very much is a legitimate copy. It's 970 pages and it's scanned so not searchable.

Magdalen Berns appears to go through it line by line in her but without the original text we can't tell if something has been missed out. I think it's good enough though, I doubt very much she has missed anything important or interesting.

Fuck me, It appears the bootleg DSM 5 PDF is searchable after all! Isn't technology marvellous nowadays?

I've found the chapter. We can't use it because of copyright but I can have a look through and see if Berns has missed anything we might want to use.

Ah yes copyright

I found a partial copy of the DSM V in google books. Do you think it's also worthwhile including something about transvestic disorder - that's where autogynephilia gets mentioned?

Yes, I definitely think we should show that autogynephilia is in there too.