The Gender Critical Manifesto

[venusinscorpio]

Let's put a list of salient points together about what the issues are with the trans agenda. It will be a useful resource.

I love what you've done Pencils, thank you for your hard work. I'll help, I'll pm you my email.

PencilsInSpace

I've just had a look at your wiki page. You're a bloody star!

(It's so frustrating that everyone is scattered across the country. It would be great to sit round a table and thrash this out in real time).

I've been doing a lot of reading lately. One of the things that has been born in on me is the original, underlying premise for transgenderism in the first place. And the very real distress of gender dysphoria.

Might I suggest you put a disclaimer in. A wholesale dismissal is going to be met with objection.

Maybe something along the lines of a man with gender dysphoria is not a woman. Despite presenting as one being a means to alleviate his symptoms.

And I don't think any trans-person, irrespective of their surgical status, should be allowed to change their sex legally. What is the point of legally changing sex, other than accessing something, anything of the opposite sex? It's pure validation. And the height of appropriation.

Despite what people think, it is no indication of authenticity.

Many people with AGP (yes I've been reading!) will achieve their ultimate goal by having full 'bottom surgery'. It is directly related to their fetish. And should preclude them outright from being legitimate women. The non AGP individuals are not the ones who are campaigning for access.

On a side note, Caitlin Jenner deciding she will date men is entirely consistent with AGP. The partner will be a 'prop'. The ultimate means to validate her as a woman.

Thanks Datun, do you fancy joining up? You have a way with words

For the disclaimer, maybe something like, 'We realise that for some people sex dysphoria and/or gender dysphoria is a very real thing, and for these people transitioning or presenting as the opposite sex can sometimes alleviate symptoms and make life easier.

'We do not wish to make life harder for people who are suffering. Nevertheless, a man with gender or sex dysphoria is not a woman, regardless of what they do in terms of transition. Sometimes it is necessary to acknowledge this in order to safeguard the rights of women and girls.'

That brilliant pencils. Perfect.

How can I help?

I mean what do I do?

PM me your email and I'll send an invitation

What would be really good is to have some stuff about the impact on lesbians written by lesbians and some stuff about harm to children written by parents of trans DC. Also gender critical trans people and detransitioners.

I don't want to speak over anybody.

This is very US-centric but there is some useful stuff:
handsacrosstheaislewomen.com/resources/

Miffer

I listen to transactivists invoke intersex as a means of 'proving' that sex isn't binary all the damn time.

I also read an open letter from the AIS society in the UK. They were clearly very angry as they had been repeatedly pressured by GIRES to form a collaboration. Which would have given GIRES a massive PR boost.

The public reason not to was that although the intersex people have to have surgery, it is never done for the same reason that trans-people have it. But you could tell from a few comments that they simply felt a million miles from wanting to align themselves with the ideology.

Having read your link, I can easily see why.

I know narcissism is present as a comorbid condition in a lot of trans-people, and it comes through in their narratives about their 'journeys'.

In contrast to that, the story of the girl in your link just resonated with authenticity, bravery, and pathos.

I absolutely hate all this muddying of the waters, blurring the lines between language and experiences, grabbing offensively at nonsensical straws to score vanishingly irrelevant points.

I've seen people counter the intersex argument by saying yeah, but you're not intersex. And not only that, the AIS society have repeatedly asked you not to use them to endorse trans.

It's only effective about 30% of the time, though.

Here's a trans bingo board I came across on Twitter. It has the most common pro-trans arguments on it.

I have written an article which I hope adds to this conversation. Although my main concerns around transactivism are in regard to the way sex based protections are being thrown under the bus in favour of gender identity, I also think we have to hang onto the fact that words mean something.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jeni-harvery/the-sex-delusion_b_16084346.html

Totally agree with you, NoDecorum. It's a great article by the way!

I found a couple of great resources about the intersex issue which refute the trans argument the other day. I am still trying to get my head around them as it's not my area, one of them is quite medical and I want to fact check etc so my argument is as watertight as can be. I'll dig them out and share them on the resources thread.

It basically challenges which conditions are claimed by the trans lobby as relevant and what they actually mean. The thing is that transactivists will use words whatever misleading way they want to anyway, but it does challenge their argument and weaken their position.

Datun

I actually requested my post be deleted because the woman in the article isn't intersex and I realised I had implied that in the way I wrote my post.

Sorry about that, hopefully they will delete as requested.

Pencil

Please don't put my post in the wiki or if you do split it up so it's clear.

I feel bloody awful.

Here is the AIS statement, if anyone wanted to see it :)

Miffer

I've had a look at the condition that that girl suffered from, and it is included in lots of websites about intersex. It appears intersex covers it.

www.soc.ucsb.edu/sexinfo/article/causes-intersexuality

Definition of intersex:

“Intersex” is a general term used for a variety of conditions in which a person is born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't seem to fit the typical definitions of female or male."

Datun

Oh good. At least I wasn't too misleading.

Beyond

Do you have a link to that? I would like to follow the link in the statement.

Cheers

I found the link myself.

www.aissg.org/15_ANNOUNCE.HTM#14 May 2000

A couple of thoughts struck me reading this.

This happened 17 years ago so this deliberate obfuscation tactic has been going on longer than I suspected.

This quote from the annoucement also struck me as interesting-

We were unhappy about the possibility of a programme that set out to consider the specific question of childhood surgery being turned into one which addressed the wider issues of "gender identity" as represented, partly at least, by gender dysphoria ( i.e. a group of people who were never likely to have had genital surgery forced on them in infancy/childhood )

Italics are mine. While (currently) children aren't having surgery they are having treatment with possible long lasting effects that they cannot understand.

You beat me to finding it - I'd lost the link

I have discovered "Truscum" today.

Truscum is the slur used to descibe trans people don't believe one can be defined as transgender (not sure what terminology to use here) without gender dysphoria. They often prefer the term transexual to transgender.

Google throws up tonnes of results so I am only just getting a handle on it but it seems to be in popular use in certain circles.

Apologies if this is already well known and I missed it some how.

Miffer

Trans-activists have zillion different terms to describe the variations. I can't remember most of them, but they are used to show how feminine someone is, how masculine, how babyish, etc. How anyone could think there isn't a sexual motive to most of this, God only knows.

And yes Truscum seems to be the term used for what most people would think of as authentic transsexuals. I.e. they don't demand they're women, they have gender dysphoria, they're often gay.

I'll never understand that term though. Because each syllable seems to be a contradiction in terms. It's an admission that if you're not truscum, you are lying but a good person!