just got my comment deleted on the Guardian website

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silly students protesting against Jenni Murray.

All I did was point out, when someone asked how our sex was being erased, that trans women offend with similar patterns to men, and concerns about recent trans women rapists, also violent trans women being housed in female prisons. I said that if these crimes are recorded as female it reduces the argument for separate safe spaces for women.

I also said about sports, and trans women being accepted onto female teams, and funnily enough being better than actual women, and advised people look up the Iran womens football team.

What did I do that was so wrong???

It doesn't even make any real sense, does it? It's like me saying I've lived my life as a pony, just with a (very!) different experience of being a pony. The whole thing is starting to resemble George Orwell's Newspeak.

PMSL .

There is a pretty good feminist and This Week in Patriarchy section in The Guardian written by Jessica Valenti I believe. However, apart from that I've found the paper has become more misogynist. That cartoon...... eww. I know we make fun of our political leaders but I cannot see a cartoon like that if a man was in power.

Garden that article by the trans black woman - did she really say that Rachel was lying and she wasn't and that was why it was different? And isn't that exactly what TRAs say us gender critical feminists are doing?

I think there are two types of trans supporters, well meaning ill informed people, then narcissistic abusers. They shouldn't be treated the same. The latter know they are lying.They are not here to debate, they are here to gaslight and abuse.

Many of the trans supporters use well recognized abuse tactic like gaslighting, denial and minimizing. I don't believe this really is about their strong belief in the trans movement, I think it's an excuse to abuse, in the same way an abusive man will find any excuse to abuse his partner.

That's probably why these threads are full of people that agree with each other and clap each other on the back for their 'excellent' posts. Whenever someone (in this case Vanilla) has a different view on transgender they are pounced on aggressively, belittled and patronised and then accused of flouncing when they've had enough of banging their head against a brick wall. I'm sure you all think you're great. What you write and how you write it does not make great reading.
Well said.
As for the 'lady brain vs man brain' 'discussion' earlier in the thread: total nonsense. A more sophisticated and nuanced understanding of the neuroscience has been completely mischaracterised or misunderstood.
But I gave up a longtime ago trying to explain anything more challenging than Daily Fail headlines on threads like this.
I occasionally venture in to see if any glimmer of rationality, thought or facts are appearing. Still waiting but I expect the regulars feel the same about me.

I think there are two types of trans supporters, well meaning ill informed people, then narcissistic abusers

I think there are more than those two - there's a kind of in-between type who starts out well-meaning but become excited riding in the slipstream of the narcissistic abusers and lose their moral compass on the way.

But I gave up a longtime ago trying to explain anything more challenging than Daily Fail headlines on threads like this

Good.

I love Hold's last post. Brilliantly argued.

A more sophisticated and nuanced understanding of the neuroscience has been completely mischaracterised or misunderstood.

A man with male DNA imprinted into every cell of his body but just happens to have the brain of a woman in his head?

Does an anorexic have the brain of an overweight woman?

Or is it far more likely that a neurological blip has given someone a disgust of their own body?

Whatever the cause, and I'm not denying there is one, a man with male genitalia, by definition, is not a woman.

So, it would seem that most of us would agree that cultural appropriation is wrong, and a facet of racism, or indeed cultural imperialism.

Perhaps we should start widely using the term sexual appropriation for AGPs?

GardenGeek on the Rachel Dolezal thing, I have tried and tried to find something that makes a halfway coherent attempt at explaining the apparent difference between transracial and transgender. But without fail the argument is always "because I say so".

I follow an interesting although now defunct American feminist podcast called Stuff Mom Never Told You, however they are deeply into the trans ally shit. This video "explanation" of the difference between the two is just .

www.stuffmomnevertoldyou.com/videos/smnty-deconstructing-constructs-video.htm

Even a lot of the comments on their FB page (and their followers are mostly typical intersectional fourth wave feminists) were along the lines of, dude you are trying to tell us that they are completely different... but you just made them sound exactly the same.

Runs off to look up Iran womens football team boggles.
I'm amazed women in Iran are allowed to play football.

I just watched that video. What?

"A more sophisticated and nuanced understanding of the neuroscience has been completely mischaracterised or misunderstood."

Would I be rising to the bait if I asked for an elaboration on what we are misunderstanding? And what makes iris - queen of derailing - such an expert in neuroscience and what makes everyone else so wrong?

BeyondUser24601

Exactly. There are lots of ridiculous theories online. But it's a clutching at straws exercise.

And moot.

An individual with AGP could be proven beyond all doubt to have the brain of God as far as I'm concerned, I still don't want them in my bathroom.

Autogynephilia has always been an argument ender. It doesn't matter how many benign transsexuals there are because every autogynephile in the country is now trans.

And transwomen are much more well informed anout it than the general population. If you drop it into conversation with a transwoman and they deny its existence, you know immediately that they're lying for their own gain.

I'd love to hear Iris's suggestion on how to make the distinction.

Haven't read the full thread, just wanted to add I had a comment deleted by the Guardian for saying I didn't wish to be referred to as 'cis'. Oddly, comments containing misogyny, homophobia and stereotyping were allowed to stand.

Also, every time I read something on that site I get a message asking me to sign up for a paid subscription - hmm, how about no. If you don't think I have the right to define myself then you don't get any of my money.

I think we maybe need to start using the same ridiculous emotional hyperbole as transactivists. "You're literally denying my right to exist" etc etc.

The Guardian has lost all credibility under its current editor.

I consider being modded by The Guardian a badge of honour. I remember a recent article about how wonderful Hillary Clinton is and how wonderful she is for women. I posted something like "I wonder how Monica Lewinsky feels about that" and was modded every time I posted it - something like five times.

I've also been modded although another poster has written virtually the same thing.

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It will be a cold day in Hell before The Guardian gets a penny of my money. If they go to a paywall, I will get a subscription to The New York Times.

The Guardian has lost all credibility under its current editor.

Agree.

If they go to a paywall, they will die.

Another one who wouldn't subscribe to the Guardian and not just because of its transgender policy. At least the Telegraph is honestly right wing.

Bumped into an old acquaintance who jumped ship from there a while back. He's in the financial side of things and said it's even worse than they're letting on, they're really going down the pan.

Which doesn't really give me much pleasure because it used to be a decent newspaper. I read it as a teenager in the 80s and I don't recognise it now.

I am a paid up guardian supporter.
Their science reporting and reporting facts is getting dodgy.
But they will come around.

hold I just advanced search your previous UN to see if I could find the threads you mentioned as it's unusual for people not to respond to threads here, but I couldn't find any! Was it definitely mycat?