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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender Critical Reference Thread

121 replies

BetsyM00 · 13/03/2017 21:11

There was talk on this transgender thread about starting a list of references.

Hope no-one minds me starting one. Please feel free to add to it!

I'm still looking for a good link to dispute the pink/blue brain nonsense. Maybe @M0stlyBowlingHedgehog can add one with references to d values of 0.5.

I'll start with Gender Identity (Protected Characteristic) Bill 2016-17
services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/genderidentityprotectedcharacteristic.html

Further categories to follow...

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MercyMyJewels · 25/03/2017 11:49

V good paper by the Heritage Foundation

www.heritage.org/education/report/gender-identity-policies-schools-what-congress-the-courts-and-the-trump

God it pisses me right off that a right wing movement are the only ones taking this seriously. So done with liberal leftie TRA apologists

Datun · 26/03/2017 15:15

On why using preferred pronouns is harmful to women.

transwidow.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/10-things-youre-actually-saying-when-you-ignore-someones-gender-pronouns/

RoquefortMonster · 26/03/2017 17:34

This is a statement by the Royal College of General Practitioners regarding Conversion Therapy.

www.rcgp.org.uk/news/2017/january/uk-organisations-unite-against-conversion-therapy.aspx

Their view seems to be that gender identity is in some way equivalent to sexual orientation with such statements as:

“We have always been clear that sexual orientation and gender identities are not mental health disorders. Any therapy that claims to change these is not only unethical but it’s also potentially harmful."

and

“Being gay or trans is not a disease, it is not a mental illness and it doesn’t need a cure. Any proclamations to the contrary risk causing harm to our gay and trans patients’ physical and mental health and wellbeing, as well as perpetuating discrimination in society.”

This would explain why many medical professionals seem to be unwilling to offer adequate counselling to young people who think they may be trans, as this could be seen as conversion therapy, but it seems to disregard the physical harm that may come to them by giving them hormones.

wrappedupinmyselflikeaspool · 27/03/2017 09:23

Beautician is sued for not wanting to wax a transgender woman who still has a penis. The beauty parlour says when the booking was made and this person stated they were transgender they thought it meant a post op. Big shock for he beautician to see an unwanted penis but all the transwoman cares about is that normally she feels attractive but was made to fee ugly. Bizarre.
www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/07/22/this-trans-woman-was-refused-a-brazilian-wax-because-she-hasnt-had-gender-reassignment-surgery/

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/04/2017 12:57

Has this been posted? It is from the American College of Paediatricians and is very good (except that it misunderstands second wave feminism).

www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-dysphoria-in-children

They have definitely called out the Cool Aid and are a powerful voice!

AssassinatedBeauty · 03/04/2017 13:29

I'd be wary of the ACP, they are a small body of about 500 members which opposes same sex parenting and opposes abortion. They are not the major professional body for US paediatricians, which is the American Academy of Pediatrics, which has 64000 members.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 03/04/2017 13:57

Oh Damn! I did get them confused :(.

CoolJazz · 04/04/2017 13:47

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WobblyLegs5 · 04/04/2017 14:55

I allways woundered what would happen to someone who transitions here but then went off to one of the tribes where men and women have very different roles to our sex role stereotypes. Like the tribe where men nurse babies & do the childcare while women hunt

WobblyLegs5 · 04/04/2017 15:01

Oh &,re the waxing I would imagine most beauticians don't have the same amount of training & experiencing waxing men that they do for women. I know some offer the b,s&c waxes but many don't & fuck when a bikini wax goes wrong it can really do damage, so if the beautician had done it & skinned the penis there would be outrage over that too

Stopmakingsense · 11/04/2017 08:31

I have found this helpful and measured summary of all that is wrong with gender identity politics:

gendercriticalgreens.wordpress.com/2016/08/15/a-feminist-view-of-gender-identity-politics/

Is there an equivalent explanation out there of what is right about gender identity politics? I, and many others no doubt, would be genuinely interested in and willing to read and discuss a measured and reasoned argument against this view point, if it exists.

Usui101 · 14/04/2017 18:56

CoolJazz try this one re identity: thejungsoul.com/some-thoughts-on-authenticity/

PencilsInSpace · 15/04/2017 09:42

Just found this on another thread. It's a FOI request on the rules surrounding blood donation for trans people and their partners:

Haemaglobin levels are set for both males and females; there is a legal requirement that these must be met before a donation can be given. Donors who identify themselves as male will be assessed using the male haemoglobin levels and similarly donors identifying as female must have sufficiently high haemaglobin levels to meet the female levels. In addition the selection guidelines state in the additional information that A careful and sympathetic consideration of sexual risk factors needs to be undertaken. A man who has had his gender reassigned as a woman who, as a man, had not had high risk sexual activity, can be accepted if, as a woman, they have a sexual relationship with a man

1: Male sexual partners of transgender women
Male sexual partners of transgender women would not fall under the men who have sex with men deferral policy in their assessment. Other guidance may prevent donation but this situation would not.

2: Male sexual partners of transgender men
Male sexual partners of transgender men can not donate for 12 months as per the men who have sex with men deferral guidance.

8: The criteria by which a transgender woman will be considered by NHSBT to be a woman for the purposes of the MSM deferral.
If a donor states that they are a woman we accept that and do not enquire about their birth gender. As stated earlier in this response, donors who identify themselves as male will be assessed using the male haemoglobin levels and similarly donors identifying as female must have sufficiently high haemaglobin levels to meet the female levels.

9: The criteria by which a transgender man will be considered by NHSBT to be a man for the purposes of the MSM deferral.
If a donor states that they are a man we accept that and do not enquire about their birth gender.

BetsyM00 · 15/04/2017 11:25

Have I got this right? If a transman wants to donate blood her haemaglobin levels are measured against the male criteria and not the female, and, as male haemaglobin levels are typically higher, she will most likely not be able to donate blood.

So, overall, blood donations will drop.

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PencilsInSpace · 15/04/2017 11:35

That's the way I read it, BetsyM00.

Also, a transwoman could have haemoglobin levels above the necessary level for women but below the level for men and could therefore put their health at risk by donating while anaemic.

This is for the safety of donors to prevent anaemia developing. None of the criteria in place for blood donation are intended to be discriminatory. It is specific sexual behaviours rather than sexuality that increase the risk of virus transmission and drive the criteria. Ensuring donor and patient safety is at the heart of what NHSBT does.

Yet 'men who have sex with men' are suddenly and magically not at increased risk of infection if one of them identifies as a woman Confused

chickendrizzlecake · 16/04/2017 09:06

Regarding formation of identity can I recommend 'The Self Illusion' by Bruce Hood. It's good quality, well researched popular science stuff and while it doesn't talk about gender specifically, it completely blows out of the water the idea that anyone can have a fixed or 'true' identity. It details a massive amount of research showing that our brains don't work like that.

BetsyM00 · 29/04/2017 15:03

A few more additions:

Studies/Research

A Scientist Reviews Transgender Suicide Stats
www.transgendertrend.com/a-scientist-reviews-transgender-suicide-stats/
(Comment: exposes false information from the transgender support charity ‘Mermaids’)

Lise Eliot: The Myth of Pink and Blue Brains
www.researchgate.net/publication/296597224_The_myth_of_pink_and_blue_brains

Surgery on under 18s
www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(17)30108-X/pdf

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BetsyM00 · 29/04/2017 15:05

Media

Transgender Children - a risk management and ethical perspective
youthtranscriticalprofessionals.org/2017/03/14/transgender-children-a-risk-management-and-ethical-perspective/

The Bias of the BBC
notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/2016/06/05/the-bias-of-the-bbc/

Transman banned from male changing room, 05 May 16
www.somersetlive.co.uk/transgender-man-ali-ramezan-furious-banned-gym-s/story-29232312-detail/story.html

Pushing gender ideology on kids is child abuse: pediatricians group
linkis.com/www.lifesitenews.com/6lHYf

Dare to debate this damaging idea that gender is a social construct
www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/dare-to-debate-this-damaging-idea-that-gender-is-a-social-construct-1-4342596

31 Mar 17 India Willoughby - turns TERF?
www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/03/31/india-willoughby-unless-you-are-transitioning-stay-out-the-ladies/

04 Apr 17 India Willoughby - apologies
www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/04/loose-womens-india-willoughby-i-apologise-for-trans-toilets-comments/

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BetsyM00 · 29/04/2017 15:07

Crimes

14 July 10, Laura Voyce, indecent images of children
www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/07/14/trans-woman-spared-prison-over-child-porn-offences/

17 Sept 13 Katelyn Findlay - robbery, threatening police
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/pre-op-male-to-female-transsexual-robber-sent-2005270
Later accused of sexually assaulting a woman in prison
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3346434/Transgender-prisoner-locked-women-s-jail-starts-new-life-escort.html

17 Apr 15 Dawn Love, animal porn
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-woman-spared-jail-brutal-5539927
And 20 Mar 17, sexually assaulting 15 year old girl
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4332436/Transgender-woman-groped-15-year-old-girl.html
And an older case, 04 Dec 13
deepcutvillage.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/lightwater-woman-charged-with-criminal-damage/

28 Oct 15, Kyran Lee/Fiona Manson (transman), sexual assault
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-pretended-man-wearing-body-6719202

08 Jan 16, Davina Ayrton, rape
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-35265124

12 Feb 16, Laura Hudson, robbery, 10 previous offences
www.hulldailymail.co.uk/misunderstood-mercy-transgender-woman-snatched/story-28718008-detail/story.html

10 Mar16, Claire Darbyshire, murder
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3485558/Transgender-daughter-murdered-MS-sufferer-father-plastic-bag-claiming-mercy-killing-jailed-minimum-four-years.html

02 Aug 16, Gina Owen, child sex offences when a man
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/female-transsexual-walks-free-court-8546941
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/victim-vile-bondage-paedophile-tells-8608834

22 Sept 16, Natalie Kearney, domestic violence
www.thesun.co.uk/news/1830459/trans-woman-with-all-her-male-bits-ordered-to-serve-her-jail-time-for-battering-lover-in-womens-prison-over-bullying-fears-at-mens-jail/

25 Jan 17, Keyleigh Woods, murder
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156440/Transgender-woman-boyfriend-murdered-flatmate.html

15 Feb 17 Ian Huntley
www.thesun.co.uk/news/2623813/ian-huntley-soham-murderer-holly-wells-jessica-chapman-frankland/

28 Feb 17 Marcia Walker - jailed transgender paedophile making bomb threats
www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/15121902.Child_rapist_makes_bomb_hoax_at_prison/#comments-anchor

06 Mar 17 Lisa Hauxwell - man or woman rapist on the run
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/06/gender-sex-offender-bbc-crimewatch-appeal-attacker-could-living/

07 Mar 17 Katie Brannen - rape
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4289920/Woman-26-appears-court-charged-raping-man.html

14 Mar 17 Lauren Jeska - attempted murder, competitive sport
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-39266777

17 Mar 17 Aidan/Anne Wiltshire - stalking
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4323302/Pensioner-takes-cat-court-comfort.html

21 Mar 17 Jessica Winfield/Martin Ponting - rapist gets SRS in prison
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4333384/Double-rapist-10k-sex-change-moved-female-jail.html
www.thesun.co.uk/news/3137217/victims-fury-as-double-rapist-who-attacked-two-young-girls-is-moved-to-a-women-only-jail-after-10k-nhs-sex-change-op/

Ross/Nicola Florida
Profile 30 Sept 16: www.somersetlive.co.uk/transgender-woman-from-wells-talks-about-her-journey-from-man-to-woman-and-the-life-changing-op/story-29767493-detail/story.html
Conviction 22 Nov 16: www.thesun.co.uk/news/2239469/transgender-paedo-jailed-for-raping-boys-and-girls-is-caught-trying-to-develop-indecent-images-of-one-of-her-victims-after-being-released/
www.somersetlive.co.uk/transgender-woman-from-wells-tried-to-get-photos-developed-of-naked-child/story-29924337-detail/story.html

12 Apr 17 Annabelle Ford/ Mark Downton - grievous bodily harm, producing cannabis
www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/scunthorpe-woman-jailed-for-vicious-attack-on-friend-who-insulted-her-new-identity/story-30263630-detail/story.html

16 Apr 17 - Andrew Burns, not sure if in a woman’s prison, Glenochil does have women's wing.
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/violent-prisoner-who-attacked-jail-10235444

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BetsyM00 · 29/04/2017 15:08

Sport

2nd transwoman on the cricket team
www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/true-stories/catherine-mcgregors-pitch-for-the-big-bash-at-60-boosted-by-win-in-first-cricket-match/news-story/b355c2a7f7f52d903523ef11ac1ec626

Tia Thompson, volleyball
www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/34947132/despite-criticism-local-transgender-athlete-eyes-2020-summer-olympics

Chloe Psyche Anderson, volleyball
www.outsports.com/2016/6/1/11814342/transgender-ncaa-volleyball-chloe-psyche-anderson

Michelle Dumaresq, mountain biking
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Dumaresq

Lana Lawless, golf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lana_Lawless

Aeris Houlihan, football
www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/354912/Transgender-footballer-banned-from-playing-from-women-s-team-by-the-FA

Vanessa Sites, roller derby
timesleader.com/news/575354/transgender-roller-derby-star-says-its-been-a-long-way-to-the-top

Nattaphon Wangyot, Alaska State Track Championships
www.adn.com/sports/2016/05/27/at-alaska-state-track-meet-a-transgender-athlete-makes-her-mark/

Andraya Yearwood, Cromwell High School, track
www.courant.com/sports/high-schools/hc-hs-cromwell-track-andraya-yearwood-0407-20170406-story.html

Mack Beggs, transman in female wrestling
www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/26/transgender-teenage-wrestler-mack-beggs-wins-texas-girls-title

Chris Mosier, transman in male competition, triathlon
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Mosier

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Jog22 · 07/05/2017 03:42

Very useful thread.

BetsyM00 · 08/07/2017 23:42

Got a few more links to add:

Studies/Research

Trans are not attracted to trans
www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2010to2014/2012-surviving-gender-variant-childhood.html

Worldwide trans murder rates (Jan 2008 to Dec 2015)
transrespect.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/TvT_TMM_TDoV2016_Tables_EN.pdf

How Science Got Women Wrong
The proportion of people whose brains had purely masculine or feminine features was between zero and 8%.
www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21724375-why-view-women-are-gentle-caring-and-empathetic-whereas-men-are-strong?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/howsciencegotwomenwrong

Twin studies prove no one is born 'trapped in the body of the wrong sex'.
dailysignal.com/2017/07/03/im-pediatrician-transgender-ideology-infiltrated-field-produced-large-scale-child-abuse/

Media

Gender is not a Spectrum
aeon.co/essays/the-idea-that-gender-is-a-spectrum-is-a-new-gender-prison

Sports

Trans bodybuilding competition
edition.cnn.com/2015/12/10/living/transgender-bodybuilding-competition/

Andraya Yearwood - again
www.theday.com/high-school-sports/20170530/transgender-athlete-takes-spotlight-in-girls-meet
www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/06/transgender-freshman-sprinter-born-a-male-wins-two-girls-state-championships/

Athena Del Rosario - NCAA goalie
www.outsports.com/2017/5/31/15722952/transgender-ncaa-soccer-athena-del-rosario

Crimes

heatst.com/world/anger-as-five-transgender-convicts-are-moved-to-a-womens-prison/

40 transwomen who committed violent crimes against women and children
kittyit.tumblr.com/post/139457140172/40-trans-women-who-committed-violent-crimes

More crime lists
autogynephiliatruth.wordpress.com/2015/11/04/the-threat-to-women-and-girls-presented-by-transgender-bathroom-bills/

thepoliticsofgender.wordpress.com/2015/11/19/trans-male-violence/

Aaron Herschell
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sex-gender-change-pomont-9141800

Nicola Wilson
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/real-life/i-feel-future-now-transsexual-8441959

Stuart Kelly/Katelyn Findlay
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/pre-op-male-to-female-transsexual-robber-sent-2005270

William Wotherspoon/Lisa Docherty
www.heraldscotland.com/news/12206512.Sex_change_prisoner_denies_he_is_gangster/
Had surgery then wanted further surgery to be a man again:
www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/pre-op-male-to-female-transsexual-robber-sent-2005270

Spy cameras
www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/toilet-camera-pervert-strikes-again-128010/

Paul/Pauline Long
www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/monster-pauline-long-jailed-sexual-155950
www.facebook.com/gloucestershire.constabulary/photos/a.10150839890775496.400885.129004250495/10154650903290496/

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BetsyM00 · 08/07/2017 23:50

There is a huge crossover between this thread and the gender critical manifesto thread, where the following wiki has been created with lots of info and data:
gendercritical.pbworks.com/w/page/117351513/FrontPage

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Ereshkigal · 31/07/2017 18:20

Bump. Great resources on this thread for anyone wanting more info on the gender critical position.