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Gender Critical Reference Thread

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BetsyM00 · 13/03/2017 21:11

There was talk on this transgender thread about starting a list of references.

Hope no-one minds me starting one. Please feel free to add to it!

I'm still looking for a good link to dispute the pink/blue brain nonsense. Maybe @M0stlyBowlingHedgehog can add one with references to d values of 0.5.

I'll start with Gender Identity (Protected Characteristic) Bill 2016-17
services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/genderidentityprotectedcharacteristic.html

Further categories to follow...

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DrinkFeckArseGirls · 14/03/2017 08:37

DickToPhone actually i can give them that - "menstruators" can be different genders, only one sex though 🙄

IndominusRex · 14/03/2017 09:00

Wow Betsy thanks. Quite shocking to see all those cases together. Good job 'it never happens'.

CaroleService · 14/03/2017 09:59

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/

Datun · 14/03/2017 10:23

This is a link to a study. There are slight variations in women's and men's brain and this link shows that transwomen (those who remain attracted to women) have brains identical to men.

The part of the brain responsible for gender dysphoria was present in all of them, but the study couldn't be sure whether that was innate or simply a consequence of an obsessive 'rumination over their bodies'.

There were no similarities in the women's brains to those of the transwomen.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/digest.bps.org.uk/2011/11/02/male-to-female-transsexuals-have-male-brains/amp/

DJBaggySmalls · 14/03/2017 12:52

Its not illegal to use the toilet of the wrong sex if you need to use the bathroom.
But at the moment, a man trying to gain access to a woman only area in a place of worship, DV shelter or Rape Crisis is in breach of the Public Order Act, Part 1, section 4, 4a, and 5.
Also potentially Part 3 section 18.
If he incites other people to join in, that would also be conspiracy.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/contents

That would also be the case if he went into a women's toilet with the intention of causing harassment or alarm. For example to take a selfie and post it along with hate speech online.

They would also be in breach of the Equality Act section 2 part 18 which specifically covers harassment based on a persons sex.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26

WobblyLegs5 · 14/03/2017 13:01

Dj there are selfless like that all the time. Wouldn't that be worth mentioning to the poster who talked about court challenge on the other thread?

DickToPhone · 14/03/2017 13:35

Increased Gender Variance in Autism Spectrum Disorders and
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder- John Strang et al

www.springer.com/about+springer/media/springer+select?SGWID=0-11001-6-1457451-0

"It could be theorized that excessively rigid or ‘black and white’ thinking could result in [an autistic] child’s rigidly interpreting mild or moderate gender nonconforming inclinations as more intense or absolute.”

"Comorbidity of Asperger syndrome and gender identity disorder"

www.researchgate.net/profile/Urs_Hepp/publication/7762955_Comorbidity_of_Asperger_syndrome_and_gender_identity_disorder/links/0912f5117d33b2cb63000000/Comorbidity-of-Asperger-syndrome-and-gender-identity-disorder.pdf

Biological female patient with G.I.D.

"As expected for AS, we noticed over-developed logical
thinking and accentuation of logical-abstract abilities,
as well as an imbalance of low emotionality and a
high level of instrumental, non-emotional attributes including
activity, lack of emotionality and perseverance.
These characteristics are generally associated with masculinity
and may have led to a subjective consciousness
in our patient of being male. In this regard, primary cognition
and perception in AS may be interpreted as masculine
attributed and pave the way to the development of
female-to-male GID. The adaptation of the male gender
identity, from early life on, possibly enabled the patient
to better integrate the lack of emotionality and the accentuated
logical-abstract abilities. The extremely high
level of masculinity can be interpreted as an additional
compensatory effort to accentuate the biologically absent
male side.
Taking this into account, we believe that, over the
years, our patient has developed GID as a consequence
of adopting male emotional and cognitive traits due to
AS. Following this argument, GID in this patient could
be regarded as a sequel to AS"

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2904453/

"Autism Spectrum Disorders in Gender Dysphoric Children and Adolescents"

" Feminine interests of many gender dysphoric young boys with ASD concerned soft tissues, glitter, and long hair and could be understood as a preference for specific sensory input typical for ASD.

While almost all adolescents with GID are sexually attracted to individuals of their birth sex (Smith et al. 2005; Wallien and Cohen-Kettenis 2008), the majority of the gender dysphoric adolescents with ASD was sexually attracted to partners of the other sex. This may be clinically relevant since adult transsexuals not sexually attracted to their natal sex show in some studies less satisfactory postoperative functioning compared with birth-sex attracted transsexuals (Smith et al. 2005).

Most individuals with co-occurring gender dysphoria and ASD fulfilled the strict criteria of autistic disorder. For several youth with ASD, their ASD-specific rigidity made enduring gender variant feelings extremely difficult to handle. After all, in our society a considerable amount of flexibility is needed to deal with gender variant feelings. Normally developing young children (age 3–5) display more rigidity in gender-related beliefs than older children; this rigidity decreases after the age of five (Ruble et al. 2007). Individuals with ASD may not reach this level of flexibility in their gender development.

In most gender dysphoric children, gender dysphoria will cease when they reach puberty"

[it is necessary] " to disentangle whether the gender dysphoria evolved from a general feeling of being ‘different’ or a ‘core’ cross-gender identity."

Susan Bradley (Canadian GID specialist) - news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/susan-bradley-how-trans-activists-are-unethically-influencing-autistic-children-to-change-genders "How trans activists are unethically influencing autistic children to change genders" There is an "aggressive approach by adult trans activists in recruiting adolescents with Asperger’s Syndrome or other types of Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) to their cause." "Adolescents struggling to deal with their quirky cerebral wiring do not need to be told they are “a girl trapped in a boy’s body” or vice versa, she says. Nevertheless, Ehrhard notes, many parents are buying into this completely unscientific hypothesis." "Over the last few years I have been asked to consult around three biologically female teens with no prior history of cross gender wishes. In adolescence, these three individuals became aware of homoerotic feelings, but were uncomfortable about them. After searching the internet to find others like themselves, they began to feel that the issue was not their sexual orientation, but that they were in fact “trans.”

In interviewing them, their history revealed prolonged and intense feelings of rejection and loneliness and a sense of “not fitting in” with their female peers. As with many girls and women with ASD, they pretended to conform socially, but failed to have close confiding relationships and had often felt bullied and rejected. Some were depressed by adolescence and often had suicidal thoughts, if not overt behaviours. Further assessment in all three cases led to my diagnosing these high-functioning individuals as having ASD."

"In two cases parents expressed anxiety over the speed with which the gender professionals involved accepted their teenagers’ self-diagnosis, demonstrated by recommendations for puberty blocking agents after a single visit."

"to ensure that the path they seemed to be choosing had been thought through" [is] "a difficult task for ASD teens because of their difficulty with self-reflection and abstract thinking."

DickToPhone · 14/03/2017 13:38

"Packer penises" gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/babys-first-dildo-courtesy-of-the-transgender-movement/ - dildos for transgender babies

DickToPhone · 14/03/2017 13:43

Stefonkee 52-year-old transgirl who presents as a six-year-old girl. Criminal history of harassing his wife & children, multiple arrests, suicide attempt to sabotage own daughter's wedding, transactivist cited in Canadian Parliament . "I felt like a woman!" reports Stefonknee of his “adopted dad’s” penis inserted man-on-man into his “six year old girl” rectum at the Oasis swingers club. “I was surprised I didn’t think I was going to be pregnant, I was so much a girl. I actually have an erection right now from it so I’m just going to pull my dress down a little bit," gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/transwoman-stefonknee-wolscht-lives-life-as-a-six-year-old-girl/

DickToPhone · 14/03/2017 13:48

Danielle Muscato - 'transwoman' with a beard, previously atheism activist, now lives in Catholic women's shelter. Instructs women who don't accept him as a woman to 'suck my dick'.

Isabel Rosa Araujo - transwoman who has a 'die cis scum' tattoo, beat up his own mother. long history of violent attention-seeking behaviour. got woman ejected from homeless shelter he was staying at because of 'transphobia' www.fpiw.org/blog/2016/08/22/making-homeless-women-pay-for-the-lefts-self-righteous-values/

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 14/03/2017 14:04

Omfc, dicktophone!

DickToPhone · 14/03/2017 14:13

www.facebook.com/events/350304378689960/permalink/350822901971441/ - Brighton women's march bans these pink hats because they are offensive to women with penises. (Seriously: this is not a joke)

Gender Critical Reference Thread
WitchingHour666 · 14/03/2017 14:15

Evidence that brain sex is erroneous and brain plasticity is real.

Here are two articles (that include links to the original meta analysis studies) that disprove "brain sex".

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170117135943.htm

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/10/151029185544.htm

Here are some resources that support how the brain is plastic and changes with stimuli from the environment, this effectively debunks the idea of a sexed brain that is static and unchanging;

London Taxi drivers brains changing after learning the knowledge;

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3268356/

Cognitive behaviour therapy and neuroscience;

hrcak.srce.hr/file/96933

Brain changes in people with Social anxiety disorder after cognitive behaviour therapy (CBT);

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160202185552.htm

Brain changes in people with simple phobia after CBT;

pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8b12/69e0df979d53ba2f06166a5626fcffc1e32a.pdf

Brain changes of people with obsessive compulsive disorder after CBT;

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/497532

Brain changes in people with PTSD after CBT;

www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/talk-therapy-may-reverse-biological-changes-in-ptsd-patients

WitchingHour666 · 14/03/2017 15:03

"Can anyone recommend rad fem and gender critical books?"

The best books that I know of on the current debate are;

Gender hurts by Sheila Jeffreys

Female Erasure: What You Need To Know About Gender Politics' War on Women, the Female Sex and Human Rights by Ruth Barrett

Sexual politics by Kate Milett is usually considered the founding text of radical feminism.

Here are some radical feminist books that can be downloaded in pdf.

Transsexual empire by Janice Raymond in pdf (note; many don't like this book as she doesn't mince her words);

autogynephiliatruth.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/the-transsexual-empire.pdf

Unpacking queer politics by Sheila Jeffreys in pdf;

radfem.org/unpacking-queer-politics/

Various radical feminist books in pdf;

radfem.org/category/various-authors/

Complete works of Andrea Dworkin in pdf;

radfem.org/dworkin/

Gyn/ecology by Mary Daly in pdf;
www.feministes-radicales.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/mary-daly-gyn-ecology-the-metaethics-of-radical-feminism.pdf

icyfront · 14/03/2017 16:10

Excellent thread.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 14/03/2017 17:35

There is a public FB group called This Never Happens. Guess what it's about....

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 14/03/2017 17:36

Thanks WitchingHour!

MorrisZapp · 14/03/2017 17:40

The Brighton march link just takes me to the event and asks me to join? Nothing about the hats.

lionheart · 14/03/2017 19:03

Thanks for all these posts and to DickToPhone for the autism links.

WobblyLegs5 · 14/03/2017 20:06

Interesting that the autism link suggested kids grow out of it by puberty.

Which really means it's the parents pushing gender stereotypes on them then doesn't it?

We are all on the spectrum in our family. I was 'boyish' in many ways & suffered from having a gender neutral childhood bc anything 'girlie' was seen as less than in our house.

My children all play with everything & anything, typical pink/blue & lots of gender neutral toys/books. One clings v strongly to pink etc, it gives her comfort, she likes the ridged definitions she finds on TV & through other kids at school. But she's also loud and impulsive and bolshy and it's reassuring to think that in time that all may blend rather than the idea she maybe more vulnerable to being pushed to be quieter & more compliant.

My are much less interested in stereotypes but they are less sociable than dd1.

DickToPhone · 14/03/2017 20:08

FB link works fine for me. but here it is

Gender Critical Reference Thread
DickToPhone · 14/03/2017 20:09

you probably need to be signed in to your FB account for it to work.

BetsyM00 · 14/03/2017 20:39

Just looking at the paperwork and legislation ahead of writing to my MP about Maria Miller's bill:

Women and Equality Committee’s report on Transgender Equality, 14 Jan 2016
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmselect/cmwomeq/390/390.pdf
This report recommends changing the Gender Recognition Act 2004 in line with the principles of gender self-declaration and replacing confusing and inadequate language regarding trans people in the Equality Act 2010 by creating a new protected characteristic of gender identity.

Current legislation:
The Gender Recognition Act 2004 states applicants for a Gender Recognition Certificate are required to prove that they:

  • are 18 years old or more;
  • have, or have had, a documented mental-health diagnosis of gender dysphoria (by producing a statement by a doctor - usually a psychiatrist or sexual-health specialist - or a psychologist on the GRP’s list of experts.);
  • are not married (unless their spouse has given consent to changing the marriage from different-sex to same-sex or vice versa, as appropriate);
  • are not in a civil partnership;
  • have lived fully for the last two years in their acquired gender (by producing a selection of items of documentary evidence showing change of name and gender, such as a passport, rent book, wages slip or benefits documentation); and
  • intend to live permanently in their acquired gender until death.
www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate/overview

The Equality Act 2010 states “A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.”
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/7
www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/servicescode_0.pdf

Government Response to the Women and Equalities Committee Report on Transgender Equality, July 2016
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/535764/Government_Response_to_the_Women_and_Equalities_Committee_Report_on_Transgender_Equality.pdf
Generally said that the current terminology is adequate. Made reference to a guide for providing services for transgender customers
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/484857/Providing_services_for_transgender_customers-a_guide.pdf
which says “Good Practice 4: Assume everyone selects the facilities appropriate to their gender. A trans person should be free to select the facilities (such as toilets or changing rooms) appropriate to the gender in which they present.”

House of Commons Debate, 01 Dec 2016
hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2016-12-01/debates/D4F283FB-2C02-4C8C-8C7E-BEAB889D1425/TransgenderEquality
Caroline Flint (Don Valley) (Lab) said “I welcome the debate, because it is vital for us to consider the issue of transgender rights, but should we not also be wary of creating gender-neutral environments that may prove more of a risk to women themselves? A recent case involving my old university, the University of East Anglia, which has gender-neutral toilets, revealed that a man had been using those facilities to harass women. He was charged and convicted. How does the right hon. Lady think we can protect women from male violence in gender-neutral environments?”
www.carolineflint.org/
www.concrete-online.co.uk/caroline-flint-mp-blames-uea-voyeur-gender-neutral-toilets/
www.itv.com/news/central/2016-11-25/man-banned-from-ladies-and-gender-neutral-toilets-after-secretly-filming-women/
www.uea.su/blogs/blog/part%20time%20officers/2016/12/13/a-letter-to-ms-flint/
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/2874341-Could-we-please-have-MP-Caroline-Flint-on-for-a-Webchat

Second reading in the House of Commons on 24 Mar 17
services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/genderidentityprotectedcharacteristic.html

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