Until we organise as well as the transactivists we're not going to stem the problem

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Everyone, regardless of race, creed or sex is entitles to the same human rights.

I have three issues with much of the current trans ideology:

1. The erosion of women's spaces, sports, achievements and quotas by biological males who wish to identify as females.

1. The transing (and therefore subjection to lifelong medical treatments, invasive surgery and potential sterilisation) of children for failure to comply with societally-imposed gender norms.

1. The erasure of lesbians, either by transing of potentially lesbian girls or by transwomen claiming to be lesbians.

The trans lobby is vocal and well funded. They have found an enormously soft target in schools/government/social care, all of whom unsurprisingly associate transgender with gay and lesbian issues and don't want to repeat the bigotry that gay and lesbian people were (and are) subjected to. Identity is not the same as sexual orientation. A person's sexual orientation treads on no-one else's rights. The same cannot be said for gender identity.

When articles, such as the recent transgender rapist one, appear in the press, the vast majority of comments show that the public is not fooled. Yet people keep quiet so as not to appear bigoted, thus allowing the movement to steamroller on at the expense of women and children.

I believe that the main target for opposition should be in our schools. Organisations such as Gires and Gendered Intelligence distribute material that promotes ideas such as pink and blue brains and that any child can choose whether to be a girl or a boy to impressionable children, backed up by teachers. Opposition to this is needed and it is not happening in any concerted way. I think a backlash has every chance of succeeding as there is huge latent support for it.

The average person in the street knows little to nothing of trans issues, but is likely to believe that a transwoman will have had his penis removed. The fact that in 2 weeks' time the Government is going to be debating replacing sex with gender identity as a protected characteristic is way off the radar of 99% of the population.

Mumsnet is brilliant in debating these issues, but we need to take it to the next level.

Thank God for this thread.

I've been going out of my mind and feel utterly powerless. DD (14) has fallen out with me because of this. School have obviously done a good job on her.

I'm not a radical feminist. I'm not a radical anything but this is just nonsense. How can a man know that it feels like a woman? Hell, I don't know what it feels like to be a woman, just what it feels like to be me. I can't claim to know what it feels like to be a different woman any more than I know what it feels like to be a cat.

However statistics show that men, XY, with testosterone and born with a penis commit the bulk of violent crime, including rape.

The sexes are different in the way we function and we need privacy and safety.

I'm very much wiling and able. I just need guidance and perhaps a template letter to send to my MP.

MN is huge and multifaceted. We need figureheads and a legitimate way of funding.

Whatever we decide, I'M IN!

boldly I created a new email and a new Twitter account which is linked to that account.

I've used a non identifying profile picture and handle.

Hopefully that's enough.

Your ip can be tracked too. If you really want to go anonymous you need to use an internet cafe or several

Or VPN cheat software which is easy to do, so you are set up as being in another country in terms of your IP (I use this for watching british tv when I'm abroad!)

And it makes my blood boil that ordinary women on a mother's chat board have to talk about masking our ip and ghost accounts because we are SCARED.

There are countries which already allow self identification. Should we look to them to see what that has meant negatively for women?

Even if self identification does not go ahead, there is much to fight, especially the indoctrination of kids. We need to find out what laws and guidelines we can use. Who or where can unethical teaching resources be referred to? If a school has a child declaring themselves as trans and they contact the recommended transgender organisation for guidance, is what they are being told adhering to laws? Do we have any teachers here?

My workplace, biggest employer in country, released guidance for dealing with trans patients. The tone of the guidelines bother me greatly as there's no acknowledgment at all of women's rights. It says where intimate searches need to be carried out (mental health staff) the trans person is entitled to ask for the staff members sex to match the gender they identify with. I'm wondering if self I'd cones in; that staff member can refuse and say ' sorry, I identify as a man today' It does acknowledge a ftt might want a woman to search them if they haven't yet transitioned physically.In this section, it doesn't mention, I think deliberately, the prospect of a mtt person not having physically transitioned. And it doesn't see it relevant to consider that female staff might not feel comfortable. It's all about the feelings and desires of the trans person.

Sorry for ramble. Can't wrote well on phone. My point is all these guidelines are locally produced and make it easier for misinformation to infiltrate an organisation
and more difficult to challenge as no-one wants to risk their job. Very clever trans lobby.

As there is already an awfull, but fully signed i believe petition out their on the bill mIght it be worth creating a petition against the cost pack?

Whilst it is great to see parents interested in and passionate about PSHCE education it is important that we all know what the facts are.

1. Most schools are required to provide sex and relationship education as part of the PSHCE programme (please see image for detailed information)
2. Other than broad statements such as 'sex and relationships', 'HIV and AIDS' there is no mandatory content.
3. Schools choose the specific content and packs that they deliver. This means that the CPS pack will not be 'hitting schools', or imposed on teachers and students in the way that many posters believe. It is also important to look at the pack itself and to seek more objective analysis than that provided by an organisation whose specific mission is to challenge and prevent any questioning of gender as a simple fact of female or male.

I'm in too. This has playing on my mind for a while now. I had written to my MP last Dec and got a reply back going on about how equality is needed and one set of rights will never trump another etc etc
.... then the last para says how the govt directive is for prisons to hold people according to the gender they identify with.... I was shocked because till then I thought it was all hypothetical and not a done deal.

The dogs I see what the legal stuff says but a poster on the other thread from NHS mh services posted a copy of the information they are being forced to follow, that says anyone who feels like a woman can now access female mh hospitals and that they may not shave etc but that females who complain have to be kicked out.

Maybe you could check that thread & pm her the legal stuff?

'sorry, I identify as a man today'
On two of the many threads mushrooming on Mumsnet I have previously explained that this a misunderstanding. Here it is again:

Neither the current nor the proposed bill allow this.

People have to go through a legal process to change their gender for the purposes of employment, healthcare, passports, birth certificates.

Self identification in the proposed bill means that there is no requirement to participate in surgery or medical treatment of the gender dyspohoria THAT IS ALL IT MEANS. NO ONE CAN DECLARE THEMSELVES AS WOMEN FOR THE AFTERNOON OR ANY OTHER PERIOD AND BE TREATED AS SUCH.

I have used capitals so that people can read it (and remember it?) more easily.

Glad we cleared that up 😀

Yeah I've considered the possibility of IP and hacking my email but then I thought it's ridiculous just to post something gender critical!

Women went through more to secure our rights I can put up with the abuse if I have to in order to secure them for the future.

anyone who feels like a woman can...

Please see my post above. 😀

As for being worried about not shaving ..........I see plenty of very hairy women about. How hairy is too hairy?😄

I was being flippant and pondering how staff could use the proposed law to answer back and protect themselves.

The thing is Iris, the Equality law gives such protections that it is discriminatory to ask someone if they have a grc, and discriminatory to ask anything about their trans status. If a man presents as a woman and says their name is Julie, staff are obliged to go along with it. I don't see how staff can take each person on a case by case basis if they are being told it is unlawful to even mention their trans presentation.

Anyway, ignore me. I'm derailing. I'll join other thread to discuss this.

Iris, that's as maybe, however under the equality act:

To be protected from gender reassignment discrimination, you do not need to have undergone any specific treatment or surgery to change from your birth sex to your preferred gender. This is because changing your physiological or other gender attributes is a personal process rather than a medical one. You can be at any stage in the transition process – from proposing to reassign your gender, to undergoing a process to reassign your gender, or having completed it. (EHRC)

So how do you go about changing gender, just write to passport office etc and tell them you are now a man even though I have a fully functional female body? If I then got pregnant could i insist I'm treated on the male ward of the hospital? If I'm a male offender, with a fully functional male body I could then access a female prison?

Lisa mugglebridge might be amother name to try & ask if she would put a petition out their.

Iris the process will simpley require a self cert, and as it's so simple people could pressumabley self certification back when they felt like it.

And what about 'gender fluidity' will there be a box to tick for that buzz word?

Iris

THIS is causing the problem:

You can be at any stage in the transition process – from proposing to reassign your gender, to undergoing a process to reassign your gender, or having completed it

No one has any way of knowing whether the person is on a genuine path or not. And I believe, in the transgender report, it was even more woolly.

In real life, a transgender person is anyone who says they are. Because no one has enough ammunition to challenge it. The default position is to give in to any and all demands.

The legal definition of the word woman needs to be set in stone. Otherwise 'sex discrimination' can't talk about 'women' as a sex.

In terms of twitter, etc I agree with the previous poster about certain things being more eye-catching to the general population than others. The first thing is the definition of the word woman to include anyone who says they are.

The time for reasoned argument is over. Sensationalist sound bites and triggering people's' sense of outrage is the way forward.

The CPS link is not mandatory for schools, I agree. But the secretive way they have included such loaded wording is an example of how this ideology is infiltrating.

Autogynephilia could be one reason a trans-woman would insist on a woman doing a medical examination.

It really has come to a pretty pass when a good deal of people with a sexual fetish are hiding under a legal umbrella of gender dysphoria. And the general population has no clue.

Gender dysphoria should remain a cornerstone in the diagnosis of trans. Trans-people have lobbied to have it taken off.

Why? How are they managed to persuade Parliament that identifying as a woman means nothing?

I have a question about twitter anonymity: I can't sign up without it making me use my mobile number 'so my friends can find me' and it texts a code to this number so I can't create an account without it.

Is there a way around this?

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Ignore that bridge dweller you lot!

Great posts, thanks for the anonymity ideas

Although I'm not really sure I want to be anonymous tbh.

I'm writing to my mp today and created a twitter acc