I'm Jenni Murray

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Can we show our support for Jenni? I think she will be in for a kicking tomorrow

Thanks Jenni, for your bravery in speaking the truth

• I'm Jenni Murray

thanks for posting that cooljazz - yes, we need to organise. I'll re-post there. a good thing MN have introduced the ability to tag, now we can summon an army of like-minded harpies and start the revolution!

wrapped re. hubby, yes, he's marvellous in general. Does 50% of the childcare (at least!), does lots of household chores, a wonderful father, gentle, considerate, caring, funny, nice bum, accepts my new presentation even though I've gone all radfem (lesbian-style haircut, hairy armpits & legs - I was quite a lot more girly when we met). I think - and I can see his point - he feels that a lot of anger gets directed his way, although I'm not accusing him, but I do vent to him and it feels personal because he is a man. I have a point too though; this is no longer an abstract issue, it's having a real-life impact on politics that will get out of hand if we don't do anything. But I have to learn not to drag him into it. Relationships die without some level of compromise, and I can see his point.

I think the most constructive thing to do so we don't end up alienating our SOs is to actually get out there and change things. That's a better solution for everyone. It's no use getting riled up about these things in a way that paralyses and destroys us, where the only cost ends up being to our relationships and personal lives and not the bastards who are doing this to us.

So I don't want to just be angry and frightened anymore, I want to still be angry but above all be passionate, dedicated and positive, and committed to change. Right I'm heading across to that other thread now! cue Eye of the Tiger music

I'm Jenni Murray.

After reading about the horrific lynching of a trans woman in Brazil today, it occurred to me that firstly, that is real transphobia.

And secondly, it's was reported as the killing of a trans woman in the pink news. This fact is important. They were born male. As the context is specific to the horrific act. As with the brutal killing of any person.

I do not want to be a part of transphobia, and I'm not. Agreeing with the views of Jenni is not phobic at all. It's not trans hate. It's saying women's unique experiences matter. And actually, trans unique experiences matter as a separate area to debate. But not when they oppress and deny women's rights and experiences. That can't happen. That's not right.

It reminds me of the way settlers invaded Native American lands, giving rights and land to their people, ignoring the rights and land of the Native Americans.

I actually fear getting deleted or banned for this comment - I shouldn't need to! I also wonder - does this make sense to others?!

Just read Micros eloquent post. So true. That's where the TAs should be directing their energies.

I got my reply from ITV today. I complained about them having India as a Loose Women panelist, given her misogynistic ageist views.

They replied saying that India is not a panelist and has only been a guest in the past. Therefore, they can't comment on her Twitter feed.

I thought she was a panelist? (Sorry, don't watch the show!)

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/09/trans-cis-let-women-be-what-they-want-jenni-murray-artificial-definitions-feminine
Another stupid article

Great post, Microferret.

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That's no surprise really, the Guardian hates women, and the author of that piece is the same woman who victim-blamed the Cologne sexual-assault victims.

In an unrelated note, the Guardian is losing money hand over fist...

Bloody Grauniad again.

There was me thinking that what Jenni Murray was doing wasn't criticising 'Stone and Willoughby [for] not matching feminist ideals of what a woman should be' but criticising their overwhelming IGNORANCE about the battles women have fought to bring us closer to equality.

Surely, if you want to be a woman, you do a smidgen of research beyond 'what does it look like'?

just an update - it's working! I am currently in the process of educating a liberal feminist who actually posted a video the other day on her feed about why trans women are not biologically male (huge eyeroll) and she is totally getting it!!!!

I've had some success with a couple of other women too, who were already relatively radical but who didn't get why transgenderism is so harmful. We need to educate wherever we can, with patience and armed with lots and lots of facts.

This girl says she feels like she should pay me tuition fees. At the end my "fee" will be that she educates other young women

Let's tip the balance in our favour from the inside out. They won't see that coming. We can't go out in the open, we have to go underground.

by the way Igneococcus thanks for the insight. It doesn't seem to be too huge an issue here yet, even in ultra-radical Berlin; I suppose the trick is to get a head-start in before people start swallowing the kool-aid. People here just think it's another strand of LGB rights and want to be kind. I'll have to disabuse them all of their sweet but naive opinions.

The guardian writer is the one who seems locked into the trap of conflating 'gender' with sex.

Be whatever 'gender' you want. 'Gender' should be completely and utterly irrelevant. Dress as you wish. Do whatever job your talents and inclinations suit you for. But don't pretend we can opt out of our biological sex. Don't pretend our biological sex is irrelevant.

I'm Jenni Murray!

I read that Gaby Hinsliff article last night and thought of you lot, while I was banging my head against a brick wall

I'm Jenni Murray too. Have only really become aware of this recently with the no platforming of Germaine Greer and Jenni Murray's comments and the whole thing has me appalled. The thing that strikes me most about trans activism is how male and misogynistic it is - the wanting to dominate the narrative and aggressively deny opposing womens' voices the right to differing opinions - the desire to legislate to force parents of children with issues around gender to label them as trans and medicate (this reminds me of the right wing in the US and men throughout history who have wanted to legislate to control women's bodies and fertility). It seems their idea of what a woman is is so far removed from my experience - I do not wear makeup nor shave my legs often and honestly find it offensive when someone criticises this - as apparently India Willoughby did - or implies I'm less of a women because I choose not to conform to a male definition of attractive. Athough I respect their right to voice their views - even if they are in my opinion deeply misogynistic. The implications for allowing violent men into womens' safe spaces such as refuges is truly frightening - we know women often risk their lives when they leave abusive partners - do these activists really want it to be the case that all the violent man has to do is to identify as female and he should then be allowed into these spaces?

I couldn't get any further than the header on that article which is such a clusterfuck of sex and gender conflations that I feared for my mental health if I read and further.

"...there are many ways to be feminine".

Uh huh and only one way to be female you pillock.

www.feministcurrent.com/2017/03/10/invisible-woman-gender-identity-age-neoliberalism/

the brilliant Julian Vigo

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Very interesting and informative article. Particularly the fact that trans-people are less likely to suffer abuse than women. And I'm glad they used percentages, instead of numbers.

Be whatever 'gender' you want. 'Gender' should be completely and utterly irrelevant. Dress as you wish. Do whatever job your talents and inclinations suit you for. But don't pretend we can opt out of our biological sex. Don't pretend our biological sex is irrelevant.

^^This.

Has Gaby engaged her brain at all? Just the heading made me see red. Just saying cis or trans means you are not allowing women to be what they want......finds brick wall to bang head against!

RADIO 4 now

What did you think?

My issue was who ever spoke first (trans w?) mentioned for all females everywhere.

I can't equate female with trans W.

Just listened. It's ludicrousthat stating a man has different experiences to a woman is NOT an impartial view!!!

We have a bloody long way to go if that is considered controversial.

*WH is for all females everywhere.