I'm Jenni Murray

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Can we show our support for Jenni? I think she will be in for a kicking tomorrow

Thanks Jenni, for your bravery in speaking the truth

• I'm Jenni Murray

Had a conversation with a friend today, brought this up, prepared to have to explain the need to be gender critical. She completely agreed. Such a relief.

How about this one?

I spoke for the first time with 3 friends about the sports issue today. Glad to say they understood perfectly.

Thanks Transwomen

Wow, so dignified and mature huh?

Typical male behaviour.

I feel like there is more grounded and sensible discussion in the UK than in the US. Anyone else feel this way?

The Americans on my FB feed are all sooo into the "trans everybody" thing and seem shocked if anyone questions it, even a little. I have seen more down-to-earth or at least nuanced reactions among my UK friends, the majority of whom are not radical feminists.

I wonder if the religious right in the US has made sensible discussion of this issue difficult. If you say anything which isn't utterly fawning and cringing to the transactivist stuff, people just assume you are a right-wing evangelical bigot.

You know, "Hey, if you are so worried about violence, why don't you support proper controls on gun ownership instead of worrying about transwomen attacking people, you HYPOCRITE." Um, thanks for assuming you know anything whatsoever about my bloody politics.

Ooh, I'm liking FART as an acronym. Especially as it allows me to imply that my issue is not with men who are honest about being trans and don't expect to be automatically accepted as female.

Sadly I think the Paediatics article is a red herring - I've seen it before, they're a group trying to be confused with the AAP (american academy of pediatrics) and they're essentially a Christian organisation. It's actually a very sensible piece in terms of content, but unfortunately it won't be considered credible if you try to use it in debate. Just thought I'd give people a heads-up.

I got the same non-response from the spineless BBC bastards.

Fuck, I really never realised how little women matter until this issue reared its ugly head. I had the most demoralising twitter exchange with a Green MP last night, the misogyny and demonisation of gender critical feminists was just so palpable.

I might post more about the exchange here. I really feel so upset and disturbed by his attitudes. He actually said "haha" when I mentioned the cotton ceiling issue. I mean, literally zero empathy for females, especially lesbian females, at all.

He also said he was "disappointed" that radical feminism has this attitude to TW. I said I was disappointed that the left cares so little about women. And then I got pissed off and said it's not the job of feminism to impress males like you, it's a movement for WOMEN and we are literally the only civil rights movement expected to include everyone and put others first, and that that in itself is sexist, so go ahead and be disappointed, I don't care. Patronising fucking twat.

Can someone put a link to the iPlayer Media show episode mentioned upthread? I need to hear something encouraging. I'm feeling so miserable.

I know what you mean

I have a sneaking suspicion that some powerful men (NAMALT of course ) secretly like gender essentialism. It means they are where they are because men are just inherently better at being in charge, rather than because gender-based discrimination has taken out half the competition for their role. Which means thy someone calling bollocks to the whole gender thing means they have to examine their own privilege in a quite uncomfortable way. The parallels with the dismantling of the colonial era, in terms of the nature of the rhetoric, are scary.

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The Media Show

Sorry for those who need cheering up, but this chilled me to the bone:

www.transgendertrend.com/cps-schools-project-the-erasure-of-sex-and-the-silencing-of-girls/

This is obviously a campaigning blog, so the elements selected may not fairly reflect all the training material. But may well be coming to a secondary school near you!

I'm jenni. Will be complaining later. What always stands out to me is the difference between the way trans men and trans women deal with transition. I feel it just underlines how trans women have grown up with male privilege - expecting everyone to agree to their view and expectations of how they should be treated. I fully accept and agree that their experiences as young people will have been tough but the way trans activities expect that their wants and needs supersede others just smacks of male privilege.

Whereas I don't see this with trans men who have lived with the oppression of growing up female. (Sorry this is kind of rambling hope you get what I mean)

@Stopmakingsense That makes for very unsettling reading, I would genuinely pull my child out of school if that sort of awful propaganda is being taught, he's only in primarily so I'm holding out in vain that the by the time he goes to secondary this bullshit will have blown over. I have a baby DD, again I'm hoping by the time she's school age this will have gone away.

primary not primarily* typing whilst holding a wriggly baby!

I've received the crap BBC reply that "she has been reminded that presenters should remain impartial on controversial topics covered by their BBC programmes."

I have submitted an additional complaint re Libby Purves asking when she will receive her public warning for failing to remain impartial in her piece in The Times.

Has anyone received a reply yet re Libby Purves?

I'm also Jenni Murray. I'm wondering if anyone has asked family and friends who are calling Jenni Murray a bigot etc. what they think her motivation is for doing it and whether there's any evidence she's (we've) behaved similarly or differently with other oppressed groups and why that might be. I'd like to see the onus on them to explain rather than us (whilst still being too scared to debate this publicly myself, though the women I've spoken to personally agree with JM).

I have received the same reply and complained again. I am worried the BBC has logged all these complaints as complaining about JM because they haven't read them properly - hence the reply.

That link is chilling, Stopmakingsense. That needs to be made more widely known.

I emailed BBC RADIO 4 FEEDBACK programme and the producer emailed back twice yesterday saying they were very interested and wanting me to talk to them over the telephone but I was too nervous so asked on the other thread for volunteers

Anyway, they are talking to radio 4 hopefully today for the FEEDBACK programme which is broadcast on 10th @ 16.30 and repeated on 12th @ 20.00

So hope you will all listen to your radio or catch it on iplayer after broadcast

I'll be listening kanga. Yay!

Stopmakingsense

That link is absolutely disgusting. If those guidelines go-ahead, I predict you will see every girl in the class identifying as a boy to avoid all this shit.

If I add a choice between being forced to include a trans-girl against my will, or hanging out in the boys bogs with my boy mates, I know which one I would choose.

Actually, Datun, if things do head this way I may start accompanying my husband and sons into the men's loos if we are at deserted services (or similar) late at night. It would be safer than going into the women's on my own.

Also, I suspect women will start going to nightclub loos in groups and letting lone women tag along with them.

Oh neoliberal lefty men are the worst. At least with the likes of Trump, their distain and thinly veiled hatred of women is up there in plain sight and they barely pay lip service to covering up.

The likes of the Green MP, want the privilege, they want to hold the same views of women as Trump does but secretly, in their head so that they can access the added ego stroking of being "right on" and "nice" guys. Once women stand up for themselves, their true colours are revealed - spineless creatures that they are.