Just when you thought Everyday Transactivism could no longer surprise * title edited by MNHQ*

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They come up with this.

First post - Why Transwomen Aren't Biologically Male.
www.facebook.com/everydayfeminism/

The comments are encouraging though, that is, the ones that haven't been deleted. Lots of people questioning and calling this out.

Pencil I'm starting to think that's an accurate observation

Our Facebook page is moderated in order to support the experiences of marginalized people in our oppressive society. Therefore, it’s not an open forum where any oppressive or silencing comments are allowed. Since we are not the government, this isn’t censorship — this is how we institute anti-oppression.

Self loving?

Not if you are pangender because then you are literally "loving" everything and everyone that could ever be.

See?! Learnt something there didn't you?

I was looking at that Magdalen Berns video linked on the other thread yesterday and continued on to one answering EF. It was brilliant but terrifying what EF think feminism is.

Had to laugh at this or I would end up punching a fucking wall

I am often struck by how these self professed intersectionalists cannot bear to have the concerns of humans with female reproductive systems recognised in any context other than "cis-privilege." I know that transwomen are different to women, and I know that intersectionality is about race and class, not maleness, so this isn't an argument that I could make personally.

But I keep waiting for the liberal feminist who thinks that trans women are women, but also is sick of having her uterus legislated for by men, to say "Wait, hold on... So I accept that we're all under the 'women' umbrella, and all equally oppressed due to identifying as or being perceived as women in a patriarchal society, okay.... But if transwomen are doubly oppressed by misogyny and by having bodies that don't match their 'gender identity', aren't 'afab' women also doubly oppressed, by the misogyny that apparently applies to us all, and also by being born with the particular kind of body that men are socialised to feel entitled to fetishise, degrade, purchase, penetrate, and control? Isn't that an intersection of oppression, too?"

I've never seen someone make that argument. Has anyone here seen it?

aren't 'afab' women also doubly oppressed, by the misogyny that apparently applies to us all, and also by being born with the particular kind of body that men are socialised to feel entitled to fetishise, degrade, purchase, penetrate, and control? Isn't that an intersection of oppression, too?"

Thing is, you get ridiculous arguments by people like Paris Lees spinning it that being objectified by men is a privilege for "cis women". And I've heard similar arguments from "sex positive" feminists, minimising sexual harassment.

Sorry, italic fail!

I keep wondering when the lib fems on EF are going to wise up to the proposed legislation in Arkansas and Oklahoma which would mean women have to get permission to seek an abortion from the man who impregnated them. If those laws go through do you think the fun fems will finally realise biology matters?

For those up thread questioning how AMAB and AFAB are becoming so mainstream, it's because the transwhacktavists appropriated it from the intersex community. Obviously in most cases when a baby is born with an intersex condition their genitals may be ambiguous and they are assigned a sex which is felt at the time thief genitals most closely resemble. There's a movement in the intersex community that they should just be allowed to be intersex and not forced to identify as either sex as they're not ether sex and it can be harmful got when growing up pigeonholed into a sex that they don't feel describes them, it can also leave them traumatised by surgeries at a young age to reshape their external genitals so they're more socially acceptable as 'male' or 'female'. I can totally see why they may object to being assigned a gender, the problem is that the trans community have appropriated the term and are using it for heir own puppies which are in direct conflict with the intersex community. If intersex people are saying, don't assigned me a gender on the binary of male and female because I'm neither and I don't need want to be forced into having surgeries to affirm those binary genders, the trans community is doing exactly the opposite... 'Children are being born and misgendered, give them drugs and major surgery quick to trans them as early as possible!'

Sorry forgot I wasn't on Facebook... Block of text apologies, paragraphs paragraphs paragraphs...

All the really bad and oppressive stuff happening to women around the world - FGM, forced marriage, threats to reproductive rights, and so much more, and the biggest 'feminism' site on the internet comes up with stories like 'What you should know about Multigender People' and 'Why Graysexuality Matters'. It is horrifying. These people are regressing feminism by decades.

Oh I felt intensely privileged when at ten and on a train going to a school residential trip, a middle aged man groped me. Lucky, lucky, lucky me - that's all I could think. Are they for real?!

I think the LibFems will just compartmentalise the issues surrounding abortion and transactavism - they don't seem all that taken with the whole 'joined up thinking' thing.

Graysexuality? That isn't some Fifty Shade bollocks is it? I can't bring myself to look it up.

'If those laws go through do you think the fun fems will finally realise biology matters?'

Yes, I think there's a very good chance that will happen.
I think we have already started to see it with the pussy hats and the short shrift that has generally been given to claims they are transphobically vaginacentric.

...And I don't view women as my oppressors, since I am one.

I view cis people as my oppressors

See, this is the very definition of cognitive dissonance. They don't say 'cis men'. They include 'women' in that description.

Because I am woman I can't be oppressed by women. Women are my opressors.

Fuckwits.

I can only assume greysexuality is a way of telling young women they are ageist if they don't want to sleep with older men and should check their youth-privilege.

You know what they never talk about in EF? The fact that the US is one of the only countries in the world without universal paid maternity leave. Now that to me is a MASSIVE issue that affects millions of women. But no. Let's hire a lot of people who say things like "ze identifies as a Griffyn" and who write about How Polyamory is a Privilege.

I took one for the team and googled greysexual

Its were you have sexual feelings but dont want to do anything aboit it

So part way between asexual and sexual

Marriage in other words

Says out loud:

Transwomen are men
Transwomen are men
Transwomen are men

That only affects boring old cis women though, who gives a fuck about them.

Basil

Seriously, who gives a single flying fuck whether someone has sexual feelings that they don't want to act on? Why is this relevant to feminism?

Basil and Rufus - I just woke my kid up by snorting so loudly. Stop it.