British 'man' becomes pregnant

[slithytove]

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-british-man-reveal-hes-9582789

Sorry, it's a mirror link

I don't usually post about this stuff, but it's really annoyed me this time.

Now 'men' can get pregnant? So 'men' will need maternity leave, 'men' will need maternity services, probably somehow different to women's.

Is it just me or does the fact they are calling this person a man instead of a transman, allow men (people born as men) to take even more from women under the trans rights umbrella?

Who would it hurt to call this pregnant person a transman?

I guess we should be grateful this person was born as a woman and is therefore socialised to not put themselves first.

Rufus I think OneFlew explained it well earlier in the thread with:

"At most at eight weeks the embryo has not developed any external markers of sex however the sex of the cells is fixed at that point."

So all cells of an embryo are a sexed from conception as XX or XY, but the embryo has no visible external evidence of being male or female. My understanding is that features develop which later on change and specialise depending on whether the embryo is male or female. So the same feature would eventually become ovaries in a female and testicles in a male, but when it starts to develop it's neither one nor the other yet.

"where has this facebook person got the "all embryos are female" from"

From the depths of that dark abyss we call Ignorance, would be my guess.

Anyone who has had secondary school biology would know that the embryo is either XX or XY.

They are very educated

But i think they are looking at...shall we say different websites

Thanks speak

In response to a few posts directed to me:

Tartle: yes, I feel if there is a medical treatment known to destroy fertility required to help an illness, then yes, egg/sperm rescue should be offered as part of it.

Helen; was that (sex/gender) directed at me? I agree that they wouldn't have been able to have the baby themselves, but who knows what their future partner might want.

Qwerty; that all depends on whether you believe in gender identity, masculinity and femininity. I reject all three. So yes, I believe that 'gender' for want of a better term, can completely be divorced from biological sex. It appears that you agree? And I think one of the issues is that transpeople believe the opposite.

I do believe that some trans people truly feel trapped in the wrong body, feel that having their set of genitals is wrong, feel detached from it, like it doesn't work properly.

It's a dysphoria, like those who feel they should be missing a limb.

I believe that for most trans people, it's that they see the stereotypes associated with the opposite sex and believe that to be part of that stereotype, they must be the opposite sex.

This can and should be counted with the destruction of gender as a concept.

Or is that too simplistic?

See that is so frustrating Seek!

How on earth is a gender assigned at birth? By putting female babies in pink and boy babies in blue?

Genders aren't assigned. Genitalia is factual.

I agree with your second post, slithy.

Will have to check back re first post as to what I meant!

Ah, no. The sex/gender was a general musing on language (I think Gender started being used for male/female years ago instead of Sex, because sex sounds A Bit Rude.

But it's just muddied the waters, IMO!

Re freezing eggs: I think the NHS are obliged to balance budgets and medical best interest. A future female partner would have a better chance of conceiving with a sperm donor and her own eggs, I would think, than frozen eggs.

I agree with your second post as well slithy

I dont really understand why its so wrong and 'transphobic' to believe that

Makes much more sense that someones brain is telling them that they are in the wrong body

Rather than being 'born' in the wrong body

On the egg freezing I think it should be offered when appropriate but in my opinion the priority should be given to women who require lifesaving treatment, not because of optional hormones.

Sex is described at birth. Gender roles are then coercively enforced according to the sex described. If we can remove the gendered expectations then children can be happy in their sexed body whatever their personality and interests.

As an aside I found it really interesting watching this happen with my niece and nephew. My dad interpreted everything my nephew did in this way. "ooh look at him building/playing with trains/bricks. He has a real engineers brain". My niece it was all about her social skilIs. This was pretty much from the time they first started sitting up.