Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

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Looks like an interesting watch, that does not just accept the trans children or they will kill themselves rhetoric. I just hope the BBC actually do show it and aren't bullied into not showing it.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

The blurb:

Around the world there has been a huge increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics - boys saying they want to be girls and vice versa. Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right?

In this challenging documentary, BBC Two's award-winning This World strand travels to Canada, where one of the world's leading experts in childhood gender dysphoria (the condition where children are unhappy with their biological sex) lost his job for challenging the new orthodoxy that children know best. Speaking on TV for the first time since his clinic was closed, Dr Kenneth Zucker believes he is a victim of the politicisation of transgender issues. The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning and questions the science behind the idea that a boy could somehow be born with a 'female brain' or vice versa. It also features 'Lou' - who was born female and had a double mastectomy as part of transitioning to a man. She now says it is a decision that 'haunts' her and feels that her gender dysphoria should have been treated as a mental health issue.

Trans Media Watch are complaining to the BBC and encouraging their supporters to as well. Also, they are trying to meet with the BBC management to discuss future portrayals...

It's like, on some level, they know that education and balanced views will be their downfall. They know that an equal debate makes them look bad, so they want to ban it.

The sad thing is, at the minute, they're winning. The Guardian has had 2 pro-trans articles this week alone...

I don't know what to do. Someone, advise.

It's horrifying

Oh, according to The Daily Star (I know), Ian Huntley wants a sex change... Tomorrow's front page (I saw it on Twitter)

Is that real? I'm discussing it on another thread.

I've sent the BBC some positive feedback on it to counter the negative stuff the sexual stereotyping pink and sparkly = "really a girl" trans brainwashing brigade letters.

I did too.

me too

I'll be glad to give you some links, Today. I need access to my links library, which is in my office down the garden. So it'll have to be tomorrow. But I've been reading about this issue for years and have a lot of resources on all things trans.

Here's one link about a billionaire financier, Jennifer Pritzker, who single handedly funds a paediatric research trans unit in Chicago. Actually, if you search the term billionaire on that blog you'll find lots of further reading. Or, indeed, child transition. Check out what gendertrender has to say about Mermaids...

Gendertrender's tone seemed a bit harsh to me at first but once I realised the damage being done to lesbians and lesbian community I saw they had a right to be angry.

The white, wealthy TRAs parasite off everyone. The constant claims of the terrible violence done to transwomen they make ignore the fact that this violence is mostly done to sex workers who are BME. Now, these wealthy white guys could spend money in helping trans sex workers off the streets, perhaps funding hormones. But they don't. Which tells me everything I need to know.

I quite agree, Prawn.

Thanks Prawn.

I am new to this website but need to reach out and ask for help/advice particularly on this thread. My 20 (almost 21) year old dyspraxic son announced over Christmas that he is trans. He has asked me to call him by his new preferred name and use the pronoun "she" or "they". This has come as a huge shock as he has never shown any inclination in this way until he met up with some individuals both at university and via online forums. I do not know how to respond to this revelation and recently watched the BBC Transgender Kids programme - subsequently have done significant surfing and found this whole topic to be full of contradictions and terrifying narratives from both sides of the continuum. I am now even more confused as I know the child I gave birth to is very gullible, vulnerable and easily manipulated - what should I do? Help please

I can't post a long reply but you sound so worried I felt I couldn't just read and run. Will have a better go later.

Was going to suggest you posted in LGBT children but I see you've done that. Several parents of gender confused children post here so you'll find help.

There are a number of websites put up by parents in your position. Have you looked at 4th Wave Now, a website run by parents fighting the gender cult?

There's loads of helpful reading there. I'm half asleep, late night, but will try to be more helpful later. I'm sorry you're so worried.

P.S. If you change your username to something more distinctive than user(insert very long number) it makes it possible for other posters to remember who you are which is very helpful in discussions.

Thank you for responding, yes I found 4th Wave and actually started breathing again, my head is in turmoil, not slept - again - been like since since he told me.

Oh wow! Prawn - that explains a lot! I was wondering where the resources were coming from for such a quick change.... Women have struggled to achieve step by step for so long and the trans movement seems to have just steamrolled along....

user - if you look through topics there is a topic for lgbt children, start a thread there as well. What concerns me is that your son has been solely influenced by outside forces, this is why t is nothing like being gay or bi and more like a cult. The trans agenda needs trans children ,just like they are transing dead lesbians as they need trans history.

Keep posting and good luck.

I've just watched the programme, and I was shocked at the gender stereotyping- all that Barbie/glitter/princess/make up stuff.

I can't see why the trans lobby was so upset by it- there was hardly any questioning of the current orthodoxy. And no real examination of what Zuker actually did to get fired.

And no hint of a question about the long term effects of hormone treatment. I find it utterly bizarre that nobody is asking that question.

And I found that throwaway remark that some parents would find it much more acceptable to have a "fixable" trans child than to have a gay child quite chilling. I'd like to hear more about that.

My thoughts exactly, he seems to have been brainwashed and I don't know what to do

I am so relieved that MNHQ is no longer censoring these kinds of threads. This is one of the few places we can talk about this.

Wonder why the change of heart has happened? I suppose the number of people expressing concerns about the trans issue reached a sort of critical mass point over the past couple of years, making it harder for MNHQ to close discussion down. Also, I wonder if some of the MNHQ Powers That Be have changed their mind or at least started to ponder a bit?

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Transgenderreality is a site originally set up to help parents of questioning teens after they have become sucked in online.

It makes for very disturbing reading and they mention they will give tips on 'deprogramming'. I've had a look, but I can't find the section on Tips, except to say keep your child away from the Internet. Which, in your case, doesn't help.

However they do document quite clearly the way young people become, as you call it 'brainwashed'.

All I can suggest, is you keep the lines of communication open as much as possible between you and your son and maybe look at the site together. If he has a questioning or analytical nature, he might be able to see a correlation between what is happening to him, and what the online agenda looks like when it is exposed and analysed.

There seem to be precious few resources for parents like you, which is scandalous. However there are several parents in your position on these forums who you might be able to PM for advice.

I stopped reading the Guardian as regularly as i used to because I was disappointed with the way it didn't question the sexual stereotyping of the trans brigade and the idea that you could be a gentle man who doesn't like football without it meaning you are female.
For me the issue doesn't look at what practical difference saying you are the opposite sex actually makes to your life. Apart from the skirts, sparkles and make up thing which is very superficial and just "dressing up" even for women what do these men feel they can achieve in life as a woman that they can't as a man.
I was glad to see the male and female brain theory being rejected.
Adult women don't play with dolls and boys used to play with dolls too. My brother played with my barbies along with his action men and I used to play with his meccano.
I strongly feel you should be able to express your personality, ambitions and desires without having surgery, taking hormones and saying you are the opposite sex. If a man was "really" a woman he would have xx chromosomes. So often it seems to be something fixated on as a magic wand to teenage existentialist angst. "If a was a woman it would all be OK" not really reflecting on what exactly is going to change in their life.

There was a trans-woman on here a while back who was happy to engage. She said that identifying as a woman allowed her to be more 'vibrant'.

Maybe if she acted vibrantly as a man she would get a different reaction than if she did so as a woman. Despite most people realising that she was in fact a man.

Claiming to be a woman legitimised her 'vibrancy'.