Well I don't know what world you lot are living in but I'm glad I'm not in it, it sounds fucking terrifying to be constantly thinking everyone is out to get me and flash me and rape me. I frankly couldn't care less if you believe me or not, I have survived all the things I have, maybe that's why I understand that not every single guy I come across is a potential rapist and the vast majority are just normal alright people, I'm not scared to use mixed changing rooms, I have no choice at my local leisure centre and never had a problem, nor have I felt anyone was going to jump out and flash my daughter. Maybe I'm stupid enough to think I'm not that desirable that every single man can't comtrol his violent animalistic urges around me, I don't know know, but all of this conversation, knowing my couple of trans friends and having spoken to them about things like this in the past, all they want to do is have a wee and get changed without people beating them up and harassing them, like everyone else does, that's all. They are not the problem and punishing them for a few creeps out there who don't care about laws past, present or future, is not the answer. They don't want to their sex determined by a panel of medical "experts" at huge cost and time and effort and painful medical intervention, they just want to be who they are. You go on an airplane and use the loo there don't you? Are they male and female?? Have you had any problems caused by a change in laws there?? No. 🙄 The trans guys I know look like the sex they identify with, granted some more convincingly than others, but it's a permanent look, not sticking on a bit of loopy and declaring I'm a woman today! If someone were doing that they'd be caught in no time! And wouldn't get away with it because it would very quickly and easily be established whether they're lying! Being trans isn't throwing on a frock for the day, it's an entire identity, a full lifestyle, one where they get harassed constantly, they don't undertake that lightly. I'm sorry you don't understand that and frankly he's, you do sound like squawking ladies clutching your leas when you say "but a man may LOOK at me!!!!" Yeah, he might, probably has without you knowing previously, might do again one day without you knowing, because that's the whole point, they don't want to get caught, they don't want you to know, if they're brazen enough to openly walk into the changing room and do it then they're already breaking a few laws, reducing That by 1 isn't going to make the blindest bit of difference. The first penis I saw was a flasher on the Metropolitan Line, had nothing to do with laws and he'd probably still do it today, because he's a dirty sick little creep on a power trip, he doesn't care about laws, he cares about his own entitlement. This law won't encourage someone who isn't like that to do that, it's the same ones who will carry on, they'll always be a problem and are an entirely separate issue, it just protects transgender people who need it now. Honestly I feel like I'm arguing with Trump supporters. I really did not expect MNers to have this attitude at all.
Elsa I agree there aren't enough services and resources to deal appropriately with trans issues like sexual assault etc, which is EXACTLY why new laws which protect members of the trans community are so desperately needed. I really can't understand why you seem to disagree with that and I'm trying to, you're obviously qualified to siscuss this from a personal POV.