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woman loses residency of son she was raising as daughter

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BombadierFritz · 21/10/2016 18:38

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3859618/You-caused-son-great-harm-insisting-raising-girl-Boy-seven-sent-live-father-mother-raised-daughter.html

hmmm. ok so its daily mail reporting but I am conflicted
perhaps good if child was being pushed into something he wasnt
but wtf with the boringly stereotypical insistance on the type of toys played with

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Datun · 04/11/2016 17:58

tubasinthemoonlight

I'm glad for that measure of reassurance. And I sincerely hope I haven't offended you in any way.

I do get very angry with the trans 'movement' but I have spoken to people who I believe are genuine trans so it doesn't include them.

There's another thread started on feminism chat about transphobia which shows the trans-activists up for the fools (imo) they are. They are as damaging to genuine trans as they are to women. And I'm sorry for it.

For you, me and your son.

Datun · 04/11/2016 18:02

For me, it's the sexual motivation of late transitioning men, the push for self identification, leaving a loophole for predators and the appropriation of what it means to be a woman.

Flowers for you and your son.

tubasinthemoonlight · 04/11/2016 18:05

datun, you have not offended me at all. To me it would be a sad day if the GRC is no longer required in order to obtain a birth certificate. I'm not sure what else it is required for though. To my son it was a form of validation. He told me recently that he no longer considers himself as transgender. He isn't any sort of activist, just getting on with life. Maybe lots of transmen are like that which is why they aren't very obvious.

Datun · 04/11/2016 18:20

tubas

It is interesting how the TRAs are mostly transwomen. I don't see the same from transmen. I thought it might be because they are born women, but I suspect it's because they don't have a sexual motivation, and are therefore genuine. Like, of course, the genuine transwomen, who get lost amongst the transactivists.

I've come to the conclusion that men and women transition for different reasons.

Datun · 04/11/2016 18:31

Smashinggenderchange.wordpress.com

This illustrates my point. In terms of trans, to me, this is the real deal.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 08/11/2016 15:00

Datun, isn't it suggested by (the much reviled) Blanchard that there are early and late transitioners? Early transitioners are classic transsexual whereas late transitioners are far more likely to be AGP. I know that transactivists have called the old school transsexual types tru-scum before so I imagine that it's quite a sharp divide between the two camps and I could easily believe that there would be a LOT more late transitioning men than women.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 08/11/2016 15:11

Ray Blanchard, together with J. Michael Bailey, were the subject of years of attacks by a small group of TRAs, but he was not reviled by fellow academics or plenty of other transwomen. The attacks focused on his well-supported definition of different groups under the label trans and his work on AGP. What's ironic is that the TRAs who attacked Blanchard did so not because he misrepresented them but because he did not.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 08/11/2016 16:57

Sorry, yes I meant reviled by the TAs rather than fellow academics. Although they were sadly very effective as there are very few researchers who would risk studying anything linked to transgenderism or transsexuality now.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 08/11/2016 21:24

You're right, as I posted earlier, (03/11 at 0.30), Oneflewover. There's hardly any being done because researchers don't want anything to do with such a volatile and vengeful group. Since Blanchard and Bailey (and, to a lesser extent, Dreger) everyone knows that if there's any chance TRAs won't greet your findings with delight you'd be best avoiding this group at all costs.

LGBT groups in the US are using questionnaires, which are self-selecting, unverified and designed to produce a desired result. It's not always impossible to examine what's known. TRAs make preposterous claims about the murder, suicide rate and lifespan of transwomen, and these can be disproved.

Medicine and science are affected by fashion and politics. Transgenderism is so much affected that research has come to a standstill in the USA, thought the Tavistock is presumably doing lots here. I imagine it helps if all or nearly all the patients are using the same health system, as in here and in Sweden.

Datun · 12/11/2016 10:56

prawn
oneflew

Yes, that was my understanding too re: late transitioners (Caitlyn Jenner). But then you get the likes of Paris Lees. Younger and clearly sexually motivated according to her writings (got to be careful here...). Where does she fit in?

And I agree re Blanchard. He was visciously hounded. Enough to put anyone off.

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