woman loses residency of son she was raising as daughter

[BombadierFritz]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3859618/You-caused-son-great-harm-insisting-raising-girl-Boy-seven-sent-live-father-mother-raised-daughter.html

hmmm. ok so its daily mail reporting but I am conflicted
perhaps good if child was being pushed into something he wasnt
but wtf with the boringly stereotypical insistance on the type of toys played with

She analyses the stats provided by trans sites and The Samaritans.

01/11/2016 17:27 WombOfOnesOwn
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2769068-To-think-the-trans-trend-is-very-damaging-title-edited-by-MNHQ?msgid=64655627

Thanks Datun that's the exact post! You're a star!

And the fact that trans suicide rates have been exaggerated is brilliant news isn't it although of course even one is too many.

ATM. as far as I remember you haven't had surgery yet? I may be mistaken.

I'm sorry - I thought this thread was about trans kids. Feel free to get back on track.

I imagine if you're trans then sadly you have to get used to being misgendered

You do. Especially on here.

That's never going to change, ATM. Surely you, as a realist, get that?

So would you agree it's better if you can have a bit of a water off a duck's back attitude?
I would also be concerned that teenagers who are trans and spend a lot of time in a trans bubble online and are used to their families affirming their trans identity are in for a shock when the real world doesn't believe in it

ATM

So it's only relevant to the thread when YOU talk about your successful sex life and people's bigoted behaviour when it comes to choosing partners based on their genitals.

Gedds, if when you mention the 5 year old you're referring to the boy who was the subject of the recent court case, a much better source of information than the press is the judge's ruling. You can find it here It's long but once you have read it no one will be able to bamboozle you about it, and you can explain the facts to anyone who questions the decision. I know once I had read it I was in no doubt that the judge was right.

No, this is a different case that I came across. It was an article written 6 days ago

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3883880/Parents-bitter-battle-child-s-gender-Father-brands-controversial-transgender-charity-meddlers-case-mother-dressing-son-five-girl.html?0p19G=c

Hopefully the link will work 😁

ATM I'm genuinely pleased you are much happier with your sex life than you were.

But given the context was regarding the sex life of folk who have had genital surgery, which you haven't, you have no basis for disagreeing that it is likely to be unsatisfactory at best.

Get the surgery, then you'll be qualified to offer an opinion.

titchy touchè

ATransMum I now understand your stance on these threads. And why you kick out to defend yourself when no one is really attacking you.

I' sorry you feel this way, I honestly am but it is a scientific fact that
a) you cannot change sex because chromosomes cannot be exchanged like a top in Dorothy Perkins
b) scientifically if you have a penis you are classed as a man
c) A question, feel free to answer or not, if you present as a woman, feel like a woman (That's a whole other barrel of laughs thread), and say you are a woman, why not have the surgery? It's a genuine question

Amalfimamma

I'd be interested in that answer too. Genuinely. Especially if it's not 'can't afford it'.

Datun

somethings tells me we shouldn't hold our breath though......

Amalfimamma

What with it not being relevant and all.

I memorably asked ATM about 8 times how to distinguish a transwoman from a predator in a dress, if challenging them is discriminatory.

That question was left unanswered to...

*too

Datun

It seems to be a trait. Dodge and deflect.

And then scream bigotry and transphobia when you answer their questions posts and comments.

😬

I'm not sure it very fair to describe it as a trait.

I think the problem is that transgenderism relies on a variety of logical fallacies. On a "shallow" level it all makes sense, but looking at it more deeply the whole structure of the argument breaks down. I think that when you are so deeply and personally embedded in a theory you kind of instinctively shy away from danger points to protect your world view - after all if the theory is what you are , what happens when the theory breaks down.

(This is another of my issues with transitioning children)

To.ATransMum...I just came back on to reply to the responses to my previous email but I really do not need to as you have done such an excellent job in responding...thank you so much. The very clear thing that has stood out is the total lack of understanding within this conversation of children and young people who live with gender dysphoria. I am also interested in how obsessed those commenting are about mtf transition as have not seen one comment regarding ftm. Very interesting.

It certainly relies on having no sense of irony when you say things like "unless you are trans you have no frame of reference". It's funny how men have absolutely no frame of reference to be able to know what being a woman feels like, isn't it?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine

It was directed towards those who post (trans, trans supporters, mermaids members) on here not in general and I should have elaborated. Thanks for pulling me up on that.

Hanora50 you mustn't have read very well then seeing as I've commented on mtf on this and other treads. As have others.

It's not that "interesting" Hanora. I don't care about what transmen want. Because they are not men who want to force their way into women's spaces, and let other men in as well. I've never heard one whinging that straight women won't sleep with them or saying men can't call prostate cancer a men's issue.

The reason people are more focused on MtF is because those people are all you hear about. Its them pushing for access to female spaces, its them making news with murders and sexual assaults. Its them winning 'woman of the year'. FtM seem to be pretty voiceless in it all. I wonder if this might have something to do their female socialization...

There also appears to be a lot more MtF than the other way around. Unless, again, the FtM people just keep themselves to themselves and don't shout on and demand others open up their safe spaces for them. Infact from blogs and such I have read it seems transmen in general do NOT want to use the mens changing rooms and such but feel like they should to help trans womens fights...

Funnily enough I think there are a lot of transmen. Just as many. But you simply don't hear from them. They are not the ones pushing the agenda. Neither to they suffer from AGP. Neither are they a threat in men's spaces. I wouldn't at all object to sharing a loo with a transman because they don't fit the male profile of sexual violence. And they're, er, women.

All those who have experience of Mermaids (and, for that matter, actual professionals in the field of sex dysphoria), is/was there any exploration of gender and sex in a way that feminists would recognise?

I have to disagree because according to the Tavistock and other professionals there are more ftm than mtf which is a turnaround from when it was more mtf. Maybe they are less visible because once they fully transition they look just like any other male using the mens toilet and so they do not need to fight for the freedom which the law of the UK allows them. I totally understand now the reason for your animosity against mtf because of course you view all those born with a dick/penis/prick/knob/willy as potential rapists and sexual predictors. Whereas of course those born with a fanny/vagina/crack or cunt would never commit a sexual offence or be preditory. Yep it all makes sense now.