woman loses residency of son she was raising as daughter

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3859618/You-caused-son-great-harm-insisting-raising-girl-Boy-seven-sent-live-father-mother-raised-daughter.html

hmmm. ok so its daily mail reporting but I am conflicted
perhaps good if child was being pushed into something he wasnt
but wtf with the boringly stereotypical insistance on the type of toys played with

Maybe they are less visible because once they fully transition they look just like any other male using the mens toilet and so they do not need to fight for the freedom which the law of the UK allows them

From what I have seen FtT do seem to be able to pass far more successfully.

I totally understand now the reason for your animosity against mtf because of course you view all those born with a dick/penis/prick/knob/willy as potential rapists and sexual predictors. Whereas of course those born with a fanny/vagina/crack or cunt would never commit a sexual offence or be preditory. Yep it all makes sense now

Men commit far more violent or sexual crime than women

Hanora the incidence of sexual violence perpetrated by males and MtT is FAR greater than that perpetrated by females and FtT.

Nobody here hates trans folk or has any kind of agenda. We're just pointing out two things:

1. science - you cannot change sex.
2. MtT people demanding access to female only spaces make females using those spaces very very vulnerable.

FtT people understand those things and don't try and force their own agenda on women - that's why most trans voices are those of MtT people, not because we oppress them or pretend they don't exist.

Graph for you Hanora (ironically it incorrectly uses gender)

Source: fullfact.org/crime/bad-and-dangerous-know-do-men-commit-almost-all-crime/

Suggest you do a bit of googling Hanora. Female spaces are primarily there to protect women from predatory men. Because men do prey on women, yes, much more than the other way round. You do realise this, or is it completely news to you? But in addition, many women don't want to get undressed in front of men, or have them as rape counsellors or performing intimate examinations on them against their will. Why is that such a difficult concept for you? And why aren't their feelings important?

you view all those born with a dick/penis/prick/knob/willy as potential rapists and sexual predictors

Since the class of men is the only class that could ever be potential rapists then yes.

And are you really naive enough to think that a potential rapist would not use this loophole?

you view all those born with a dick/penis/prick/knob/willy as potential rapists and sexual predictors

Nope BUT I do class them all as men.

So they can keep their knob willies out of the ladies changing rooms and toilets.

..of course you view all those born with a dick/penis/prick/knob/willy as potential rapists and sexual predictors......Yep it all makes sense now.

Was that just the whole issue of male violence against women and children (and transwomen actually, TERFs aren't the problem, males are!) being swept under the carpet in order to not offend the trans? Yep!

It's so blatant and enormous a fucking LIE that I'm just utterly gobsmacked. Again!.

Hanora50

First off all cool yer jets.

I have to disagree because according to the Tavistock and other professionals there are more ftm than mtf which is a turnaround from when it was more mtf.
Please link to reports data etc

Maybe they are less visible because once they fully transition they look just like any other male using the mens toilet and so they do not need to fight for the freedom which the law of the UK allows them.
Maybe they just refuse to be as hysterical vocal and want to live in peace instead of imposing themselves on their chosen gender It could also be that FtM normally use the ladies until they have transitioned and even then don't make a big hoo-haw about using the gents. Whereas at the moment we have men awaking in the morning saying "Today I've Stefania and using the ladies"

I totally understand now the reason for your animosity against mtf because of course you view all those born with a dick/penis/prick/knob/willy as potential rapists and sexual predictors. Whereas of course those born with a fanny/vagina/crack or cunt would never commit a sexual offence or be preditory.
You do know the data and numbers on male sexual offenders and female ones? If not I'd have a wee google search before making an even bigger cunt out of myself being held accountable

Yep it all makes sense now After reading this latest post of yours I highly doubt you know what sense is.

It's such blatant anti-woman sentiment isn't it? Straight out of the MRA playbook. Drives me mad.

To add to tichy's inconvenient facts

1. science - you cannot change sex.
2. MtT people demanding access to female only spaces make females using those spaces very very vulnerable.
3. Our best evidence is that MTT (even post hormones and surgery) maintain male levels and patterns of criminality. IE: while nobody is saying all TW are predators, they are no safer than any other men.

dick/penis/prick/knob/willy
In an attempt to calm down, I wonder why this emphasis on a plethora of jokish names? Penis as a word is fit for purpose, anatomically correct, and won't offend the vicar or her husband.

Whereas ladystick (which was conspicuously absent from the little list), now that I do/would find offensive, as a usage and in the flesh!

Or does the list of jokey names just make it look even more like a totally offensive rape joke by any other name?

Actually, I think Hanora50 is partly right as the number of girls being referred to clinics like the Tavistock has sky rocketed, though I don't know how that affects the overall number of FTT.

It's worth thinking about why that might be, however, and one very obvious point is that going through puberty for girls is, I believe, now worse than ever before. Girls self esteem peaks at 9 years old. That is an awful state of affairs. Presumably,after this age, girls start to realise that their bodies are no longer their own, they are public property for all and sundry to comment on, gawp at, grope, and be told what your body should and shouldn't be like.

No wonder girls start to hate their developing bodies, no wonder they look for a way out of this hateful state of affairs. Back in my days girls who really struggled with puberty turned to eating, or not eating, as a away to control that development, to slow it down, take it away, take control. Nowadays there's a new name for hating your womanly body - gender dysphoria.

I am not in the least bit surprised that the numbers of girls identifying as anything other than female has gone through the roof. I think everyone's time would be considerably better spent in addressing what lies behind that jump in referrals. That does involve looking at the bigger picture, not focussing on the individual, though, which doesn't seem very popular.

A poster has started another thread, where there were five, that's right FIVE girls in her daughter's peer group who all came out together as trans. They then targeted the girl who had come out as a lesbian, because she said she wouldn't want to sleep with a transwoman, as they had a penis. Cue usual insults of bigot and transphobe and this poor girl is getting horribly bullied online.

Five teenage girls coming out as trans simultaneously and demanding to wear trousers to school, smacks to me of the same fashion which made many of the girls in my year when I was young, come out as bisexual. None of them are now - quelle surprise.

Disclaimer - not that I think you shouldn't be allowed to wear trousers to school, more that it was only that and being called a boy's name which made them trans.

I saw that thread. It does appear that with some teenagers being trans is simply something cool to be, which is pretty miserable for any number of reasons. Plus social contagion. Bullying of young lesbians seems to be on the rise too. But there has to be something more substantial underpinning all this.

"Back in my days girls who really struggled with puberty turned to eating, or not eating, as a away to control that development, to slow it down, take it away, take control. Nowadays there's a new name for hating your womanly body - gender dysphoria. "

Now that is a really intriguing observation. But means that we need to look at possible social reasons behind self-identification as F2M (which is, of course, not allowed according to the strictest trans catechism, where anyone is tru-trans if they say they are!).

Papers from a few years back give figures for M2T vs F2T of around 3 to 1. Which seems very different to these anecdotal reports from schools, where identifying as F2M seems to have gone way up...........

This is precisely the issue I have found in my child's situation, and believe she is possibly being influenced opposed to really suffering gender dysmorphia.

My child has been befriended by an online friend, who lives in an area with quite a small population. However, one in three of the girls are identifying themselves as FTM, and doing online blogs, Instagram Q&A and generally getting massive if followers of other teens that are suddenly Havibg gender dysmorphia.

Like the never ending list of reasons why adults transition, I think there are many reasons why children do. Gender dysphoria is probably the least of these. Cos FIVE. Who were all friends until one came out as a lesbian.

Brought to my attention today.

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/recruitment.html

In addition to the trend/social contagion angle, it seems to me that it's a bloody miserable time to be a young woman at the moment. The gender binary is so pronounced for children and adolescents. There is so much focus on appearance and femininity as the ideal. The impact of porn and the pressures it puts on young women in relation to sex. That's quite apart from the general difficulties of being an adolescent female and adapting to adult womanhood and all that that entails, which from memory was quite horrible enough! Honestly, who'd want to be a teenage girl?

I seem to remember from stats someone posted previously that whilst there are more FtM teens than MtF, the overall balance is still very heavily skewed towards MtF (something like 80%) due to late transitioners which is much, much more common for MtF. Some experts have suggested that this is due to autogynephilia which doesn't affect women.

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/recruitment.html

Sorry for the double post. Tablet said it hadn't worked.

You see, it's this kind of thing that gets my goat:

We work to raise awareness about gender issues amongst professionals and the general public

As a feminist, I should be right behind that aim. However, I suspect that our idea of awareness raising of gender issues is about as far apart as is possible to be.

That job scope is terrifying. Who the fuck do they think they are?

I totally understand now the reason for your animosity against mtf because of course you view all those born with a dick/penis/prick/knob/willy as potential rapists and sexual predictors.

Hanora all the available evidence is that transwomen commit violent crime at the same rate as men, and both men and transwomen commit far, far more violent crime, proportionately, than women do. So, while Not All Men are rapists, etc, some are, and while Not All Transwomen are rapists, some are. And while there are women who commit sexual assault, it is very few in proportion to the number of male-bodied people that do so.

This is why there is sex segregation: because while Not All Male-Bodied People are rapists, voyeurs, sexual predators, etc, some are, and women are entitled to a measure of safety and protection from them.