Ched Evans verdict

[FreshwaterSelkie]

to continue the discussion as the previous thread closed.

I would be very interested in that thread too, and willing to weigh in my jack of all trades opinion

That it happened at appeal level suggests it is the actual legislation that is the problem rather than application.

I think it's a mixture of the two. The appeal judges really did stretch it to its limit, given how common the phrases/positions were.

Yes. And wasn't one of the phrases not even the same? It was "go harder", rather than"fuck me harder"?

So from where I am sitting, saying "she likes it hard from behind" was enough. If that's not flimsy...

I'm just going to start a thread to discuss the legal paper now.

Yes, you're probably right WWA. Despite "exceptional" being so subjective the interpretation is hard to fathom. I'm discussing without having read the actual legislation and any accompanying guidance which is a probably a bit crap.

The judges did record that they reached their decision with great hesitation, so that is consistent with the fact that they knew it was very borderline. If there had been conclusive, bomb proof evidence to support he decision (a) it would at least be mentioned and (b) I doubt they'd have recorded such hesitation.

I find it very surprising that the prosecution didn't follow up with the appeal judges on the phrase being in the public domain.

If anyone wants to read the legislation I have posted a link to it on the new thread I have started in feminism chat.

Petition has gone live
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/169433

Signed.

I don't know if you can change the wording, but it refers to the complainant as the 'claimant' which isn't really right.

I've signed anyway.

(Just looked and that appears to be consistent with the legislation, so ignore my previous post. Victims aren't usually referred to as claimants though, hence confusion.)

Signed as well.

Can you believe CE's latest statement:

Footballer acquitted this week of raping woman says he wants to speak to young players about risks they face.

The risks that footballers face?

he has said there should be more education on issues surrounding alcohol and consent, adding: “When they are drunk, think twice about it.”

Yeah, he's a prize prick.

He should be educating young footballers on how not to treat women like sex objects, how not to prey on drunk women with his mates and how not to lie your way into hotel rooms with the intention of having sex with the female that lies behind the door regardless of whether they are consenting or not.

Or alternatively he could do everyone a favour and just fuck off to the far side of fuck.

I've signed too.

CE is turning this into the CE show. It's fucking sick inducing what he is doing. Why can't he just say "ok I've been cleared, I'm done with it now"? No, he has to continue torturing that woman. He truly is a vile human being.

Yes have signed too. Thanks beyond for the link.

Signed.

Two hours in and only 87 signatures... how can we get it more widely seen?

Has it been shared on Twitter? Under the hash tag #ibelieveher it would probably get a fair few signatures.

I've started a thread in chat to try to draw people's attention to the petition.

Signed

And I just retweeted the shit out of #ibelieveher

I will sign as soon as i can figure out the email i usually use

They've made a complaint about Gloria Hunniford erm, telling the truth and giving an opinion about whether she'd want Evans giving her grandchildren education on consent and alcohol. Lol.

Loose Women, The Sun, the Daily Fail (even Jan sodding Moir!). I bet they weren't expecting this kind of frowning upon him from those outlets.

I thought the Gloria Hunniford thing was going to be about her saying he was guilty - all she related was what seem to be the undisputed facts of the case.

You say 'they', it's Natasha's daddy again.
Not their legal team - "ITV have confirmed Karl Massay, the father of Evans' fiancée Natasha, has filed a complaint on behalf of the family." (from The Mirror)

Seems to personally have a weird vested interest in this...!!