(Yes it's a trans thread! Don't click if you're gonna whinge) The SAGE test.

[BeyondASpecialSnowflake]

Having been directed to this test by someone who has come to mn to enlighten us all as to how we are all wrong to think "trans are in league with the devil" (wtf?!) and how "yes gender is not provable, but neither is God and we all believe he is real" (again wtf?!), I decided to have a go. Apparently it is used as part of the diagnostic procedure, though this person does seem to be posting from Amercia.

I will warn you, it is a truly awfully written and unbelievably biased piece of bullshit, featuring spelling mistakes, leading questions, and at one point the wrong "there"!! It didn't take too long though, and thanks to it I now know that I am a man. There are issues with some questions raised that can easily be 'answered' by my asd, so it's a tad biased there too.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else fancied having a go at it too...

It crashed when I tried on my ipod just now. Want to try it later to see if I confuse it.

Is female 'cross dressing' a thing? Do they just mean wearing perfectly normal practical women's clothes by any chance?

I have a question!

Because I got androgynous & possible gender conflict (ANALYSIS: female to male cross dresser), does that mean I now don't have the mythical 'cis-privilege'??

So next time I am told to 'check my cis-privilege', I don't have to because I'm (apparently) gender-conflicted??
(Even though I didn't think I was before I did the test...!)

Ah, but it doesn't ask "where, in terms of fraction of the journey, will they meet?", it asks "when will they meet?"

Basically, if d1 is the distance the first train travels, d2 is the distance the second train travels, and the time taken is t, you have 2 equations in 3 unknowns:

d1=45t
d2=80t

The most you can establish is that d1/d2=45/80 (or if you do a bit of re-arrangement, that the total distance D=125t)

It really is an ill-posed question

"Ah, but it doesn't ask "where, in terms of fraction of the journey, will they meet?", it asks "when will they meet?""

Fair point - but if we're going to actually answer it, surely the answer is..they don't meet because that would be a train crash?

na - remember men like things that go boom! We (I'm identifying as one now...) want the train to crash!! Big bada boom!!!

Fair point - but if we're going to actually answer it, surely the answer is..they don't meet because that would be a train crash?

Which is pretty much what that test is

Fucks sake, is this test actually used seriously by people?! I can't see how it's any more useful than using something like this

My middle name is Frances. My parents clearly had it in for me and I was always inevitably going to end up as ftt

It's bizarre, I just cannot work out how a middle name can have any bearing on which gender someone thinks they are

I have one son with a vowel ending name and one without. It's the one without who I had the "is he trans" comments about, so at least I can now say, "no, his middle name doesn't end in a vowel and as such is suitably masculine"

Ffs, how ridiculous

I'm an elf. Which, conveniently also is a gender identity, elves usually being androgynous.
So I suppose I am somewhat trans? Or, like, non-binary?

I guess a lot of Italian type names end in -o for males, and -a for females, and that pattern holds somewhat true for other European names enough that it's statistically likely that o people are male and a people are female.

So, if we now know that a good chunk of women aren't coming up as "ciswomen" using this questionnaire (nor my DH as cisman), surely in a sensible world we have just proved there are not a statistically significant amount of one sex who are cis, thus disproving the entire idea of cis/trans?

One wonders WHO did the questionnaire originally to get a (again, statistically significant) female = feminine, male = masculine result...?

My middle name is Frances too- and I came out all girly brained.............

Your Raw Score is: -370, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Feminine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser
NOTES:
•You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Male gender role.

Your Raw Score is: -510, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous
Your appearance is Androgynous
Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.
You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.
You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.
You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual

Well. That's cleared that up then

Your Raw Score is: -360, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Masculine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual
NOTES:

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I'm another one who is really good at Maths but dislikes Star Trek. I really don't want to be a man though

I'm a laydee... 😁 probably because I'm shit at maths and don't get turned on by tools

Your Raw Score is: -820, which indicates that overall you are Masculine

Your appearance is Masculine

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Male person.

You appear to socialize in a masculine manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
If your physical sex is Female your analysis confuses S.A.G.E., as you appear to have attributes of the Male gender, but have not apparently done anything to alter your physical appearance. Leading this program to wonder if you are actually Intersexed? If you are not, your hesitation to begin transition indicates you have doubts about your ability to successfully do so, even though you seem to be a serious candidate for Gender Reassignment Surgery.
NOTES:

Your Answers indicate your psychological state has likely prevailed since you were quite young.

I think it's calling me a liar.

My entire name is gender-neutral according to that reasoning, but I can't see how my parents' choice makes me more masculine or feminine.

I didn't get to that question because I was too grumpy about the spelling mistakes and the train question.

But my boys are total bollocks at word game questions. DS1 had one the other day: 'If a drawer contains ten black socks and ten white socks, and you pick three socks at random, what is the chance you have a matching pair?'
DS1 said 'You don't, you have three socks.'
DS2 said 'Pretty much zero because one will be size 4 and one size 10, given my luck.'

I'm impressed by the sheer number of statistically anomalous anallophilic cross-dressers on this thread, given it's apparently a minority.

My PC wouldn't do those popup picture ones (though I had popups allowed). Anyway, leaving those out:

S.A.G.E. Test Results
Your Raw Score is: 325, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Quite Female

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser
NOTES:

You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Male gender role.

Yay! I'm an androgynous crossdresser too. By which clearly they mean 'normal sort of woman who wears normal women's clothes'.

Clearly this was written by a man who has absolutely no idea about what actual women are like. And 'anallophilic crossdressers' (ie women who wear normal womens clothes and aren't excited by daringly donning jeans and biker boots) probably are statistically rare in his strange little world.