(Yes it's a trans thread! Don't click if you're gonna whinge) The SAGE test.

[BeyondASpecialSnowflake]

Having been directed to this test by someone who has come to mn to enlighten us all as to how we are all wrong to think "trans are in league with the devil" (wtf?!) and how "yes gender is not provable, but neither is God and we all believe he is real" (again wtf?!), I decided to have a go. Apparently it is used as part of the diagnostic procedure, though this person does seem to be posting from Amercia.

I will warn you, it is a truly awfully written and unbelievably biased piece of bullshit, featuring spelling mistakes, leading questions, and at one point the wrong "there"!! It didn't take too long though, and thanks to it I now know that I am a man. There are issues with some questions raised that can easily be 'answered' by my asd, so it's a tad biased there too.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone else fancied having a go at it too...

Hi, new to posting on MN. The test wouldn't work on my phone, but I'm curious, WTF is socialising in a masculine way? I see my friends and we chat. DH sees his friends and they chat. I'm so conflicted!

I cruelly subjected my husband to this as well. Being beardy he also commented on the hair removal question having no appropriate answer for him.

Despite it claiming he's androgynous and conflicted he is in fact perfectly happily male.

Your Raw Score is: 340, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous
Your appearance is Androgynous
Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.
You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.
You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.
You indicated your were born Male.

ANALYSIS:
Male to Female possible Transsexual

I had to randomly guess st the picture ones because I'm on my phone and they are a pain in the hoop. Anyway, I'm...

S.A.G.E. Test Results
Your Raw Score is: 375, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous
Your appearance is Quite Female
Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.
You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.
You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.
You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male Crossdresser
NOTES:
Your Answers indicate your psychological state has likely prevailed since you were quite young.
You are in a statistical minority as a anallophilic crossdresser. Most crossdressers are heterosexual. Your motivation for crossdressing may be driven by the undirected nature of your sexuality, as a way to more fully explore the Male gender role.

I would consider myself quite typically feminine in my appearance, but I guess short hair and using power tools last week to do diy dh wouldn't attempt threw the whole thing off

Sports vs quilting circles. Hugging vs errr... not hugging.

It's hilarious to read such sexist fetishistic guff, but terrifying to realize that this pseudo-test was being proffered as a scientific rationale by a trans woman. Terrifying.
I know a fair few folk who are transitioning, and there is a lot of desperately fetishistic stuff, as well as the usual stupid stereotyping, so it's no surprise. I do wonder if these men realize that women don't orgasm hourly from the sheer delight of housework. And that to choose the stereotypical answers to this sort of shite doesn't mean you should have been a woman. The fact that the GICs rely heavily on this sort of stereotyping to decide treatment (not this actual test, but a lot of the indicators) has always been frightening to me...

Socialising in a masculine way: Down the boozer with your mates for beer and football and scratching your nuts.
Socialising in a feminine way: giggling in a spa with your girlfriends while you get your nails done and sip prosecco.
Socialising in an androgynous way: erm...scratching your nuts in a spa while footballers get their nails done?

My favourite answer

"I hate Star Trek and everything it stands for !!!"

Blimey! Lost the will to live there - and the answer

It was so long and McAfee didn't like it, but there is no way I'm going to try it again.

Written for American men, IMHO, in spite of having the option of 'female' at the end. Utter rubbish - could not find an answer for several of the questions. Not sure most American men would find answers either.

Am I the only one so far to get a feminine answer?

I'm wondering what my "mild conflicts about my gender identity" were- I suspect it was to do with Star Trek...........

"Anyone androgynous is trans"

No, I'm intersex apparently...

Though I'm not even sure anyone in RL would even say I'm androgynous TBH.

It was a really weird load of questions anyway.

I can't do the test on my phone but I can guess it would tell me I need to transition!

No, I am too, sobriquet.

Ah! Us fems better stick together

What is "anallophilic"? Scared to google in case it means what cod Latin would indicate it might..,

Your Raw Score is: -465, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Androgynous

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Androgynous person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have normal doubts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual

The biggest pile of sexist inaccurate mansplaining transactivist bullshit I've ever read in my life.

I found all the fetish/arousal questions rather interesting too, because I thought that contradicted the "born in the wrong body"/"ladybrain" argument.

I'm sorry, I just bailed out at the bloody stupid train problem, where they don't tell you what time either train started off (or whether they're on the same track).

DS is also particularly cross with that one.

Shall I make a prediction, based on being shirt-haired, wearing jeans and loving physics, that that pile of horseshit would think I'm a boy?

*short-haired. I don't go as far as hair shirts. Not that much of a maaan.

I hope liking soccer aka footie is the girlie girl option

"Shall I make a prediction, based on being shirt-haired, wearing jeans and loving physics, that that pile of horseshit would think I'm a boy?"

Well so far there's only 2 women...so possibly, but I have long hair and it thinks I'm lying about my sex, so God only knows, lol.

What a weird test. Going to do a stream-of-consciousness commentary on it as I go along.

What's the train question supposed to show? You can't answer it without knowing the distance between NY and Baltimore, but there is no "this question is ill-posed" option. The questions are designed for men (and weird ones at that - doing the cleaning in a French maid's outfit? WTAF). How long would it take you to identify someone on the phone by their voice? Erm, surely you'd just ask, but that isn't an option (maybe it was written by a bloke who adheres to the gender stereotype that "men never ask for directions" - actually, delete the "maybe" - I just got to the parking a car question ). Aha - an equal ops weirdo - test writer thinks one might get aroused by using power tools too. (Why, oh why, oh why is there no question about using power tools while wearing a French maid's outfit? He really missed a trick there...) Erm.. waking up with an erection? Excuse me, I don't have the equipment! Aroused by an ad for tampons... that'll be another WTAF moment from me then. Okay, lost patience at the breast feeding question which totally ignored the possibility that one might have... y'know... actually done so at some point!

My results (based on the third of questions I've answered before giving up)
S.A.G.E. Test Results

Your Raw Score is: -380, which indicates that overall you are Androgynous

Your appearance is Androgynous

Your brain processes are mostly that of a Male person.

You appear to socialize in a androgynous manner.

You believe you have mild conflicts about your gender identity.

You indicated your were born Female.

ANALYSIS:
Female to Male possible Transsexual
NOTES:

[none]

My conclusion - complete and utter bollocks from beginning to end. (Also presupposes one has bollocks, which one may or may not feel comfortable in owning...)

"What's the train question supposed to show? You can't answer it without knowing the distance between NY and Baltimore, "

You don't need to answer it though - it's there (IMO) to see if you go, eek, maths, I can't do that, I'm a girl or of course I can do it even without all the relevant information because I'm so manly...or something.