New anti-trans legislation in North Carolina

[SlowFJH]

Of course it's been driven by the religious right wing. But it does aim to achieve what many posters here appear to advocate - namely that biological males can only use men's toilets and changing rooms etc. Biological females must only use women's toilets and changing rooms. Will it gain wider support?

SR didnt share a lot of personal information about her childs birth
Blokes have bern dressing in 'womens' clothes for years and years, why not in 1995?

you claimed that simply saying something like "Our local NHS trust has a trans woman midwife" would be classed (as you have suggested) an arrestable hate crime.

No, I didn't slow.

I claimed that the situation you described, in which a trans-midwife generated "significant interest amongst parents and the press" would result in a hate crime under proposed legislation.

I'm more than willing to engage in written debate with you - because it's quite easy to refer back to my previous posts when you misquote me

There was a bloke in woman's clothing and eye make-up working in my local plumbers' merchants in 1995. Maybe it was the same person who attended your birth "purporting" to be a midwife SR? Because surely there couldn't have been two of them? Did you have a plumbing emergency of any kind? (fnar fnar)

Strangely enough I did, sirvix - though not of the kind your plumber could have helped with

I get that not all midwives deliver babies and not all midwives conduct intimate gynaecological examinations.

But..

The details of this "bloke in a wig wearing mascara" were shared voluntarily by SuburbanRhonda on a thread where several other posters have expressed their fears about being attended by a trans gender HCP.

It's entirely fair for me to enquire (as I was encouraged repeatedly to do) to ask for more details.

I notice that PosieReturningParker never came back on the six questions I asked about the Les Dawson -like person she saw with a child in Tesco.

I think these stories are transphobic and your children will wince at your attitudes in just a few years from now.

Slow: ARE YOU MALE?

You are very interested in the details of other people's lives.

Why can't you be honest about your sex, Slow?

I can do this all night, Slow?

Im sorry but you can't be telling the truth SirVix. In 1995 my DH was a coalman and one of his male customers had a habit of wearing flowery dresses and a pinny.
That would be 3 in the same year so not possible. It would have been on the news for sure.

Are you ashamed of being male?

There is nothing wrong with being male, you know. We won't hold it against you.

Just need to... you know... check facts

i think that in any situation where a woman is vulnerable, she must necessarily have right of refusal over who gets to have power over her

This would include situations like:
Undergoing a physical exam, particularly anything to do with gynae
pregnancy
Labour
Birth
Rape crisis services
Domestic violence services- shelters, counselling

someone's desire to have their gender validated should not trump a woman's right to safety

Its not transphobic to ask for a man in a dress not to be present at an intimate exam.

Coco, I think it did make the Camden New Journal. "Coal man says Midwife who came to attend birth with plumbing equipment sacked for being slightly coaly and holding a pipe-end instead of forceps..".

It's almost midnight here, Slow. I hope you won't keep me up all night.

I'm asking for the 6th time: Are you male?

Surely it's not that difficult a question. What can't you answer it?

You repeatedly pester people fact check. I hope you agree that we have the right to do the same.

So... are you going to answer anytime soon?

As an aside Ive just got you name SirVix

For those coming late to this thread, here is the gem from PosieReturningParker on 25.3.16 at 19:25:

"I saw a boy in Tesco tonight, his dad looked like Les Dawson in a dress, with shockingly shit make up. Poor kid.

And my questions

1. How do you know for sure it wasn't his mum ( a biological female ) who just might not meet your standards?

2. Are you happy for strangers to be judging your appearance in Tesco?

3. What qualifies you to judge whether someone else's make up is "shockingly shit"?

4. Would you like to post a picture of yourself so that we can all be educated as to what "non-shit" make-up looks like?

5. If your comments were directed towards any other minority group - based solely on the fact that you disapproved of the parent's appearance ( e.g. a black, Jewish, Muslim, disabled, Sikh, ginger-haired, Romanian person etc ) how would you sound?

6. If this person was not breaking any laws and there was no harm being done to the child, WHAT THE FUCK has their appearance got to do with you?

No doubt lots of MNers will jump to PosieReturningParker's defence - thus proving the the obvious transphobic agenda here.

For those coming late to the thread, don't expect any responses to questions posed to the OP.

Tbf it isnt hard to pick out a TW, no matter how good they think they pass.
Caitlyn Jenner has spent thousands of dollars to 'feminine' themselves, but still looks like a man trying to pass as a woman.

Cocolepew 27.3.16 at 22:52
"It's not transphobic to ask for a man in a a dress not to be present at an intimate exam"

Agreed. The NHS will have procedures and guidelines to protect patients' wishes (in exactly the same way as they do today with patients who prefer not to be attended by a doctor of a different race).

Clearly you have never been a woman having an "intmate exam". Many women find them so stressful, and our "niceness" so ingrained, that the likelihood of being able to calmly refuse someone we strongly suspect of being male, when we've asked for a woman to do the exam, is small.

Oh god periods go on past 54???

Slow: For the 7th time: *Are You Male?

Come on, try honesty. I assure you it will work much better than your current strategy, whatever your goal is.

'Fraid so, bombadier

Well in that case we need to encourage women to say clearly what they will and won't up with rather than blaming their upbringing and "conditioned niceness"

slow this whole thread, full of women posters, has told you what women are not prepared to put up with. Yet, you choose to ignore every concern that they have.

The NHS will have procedures and guidelines to protect patients' wishes (in exactly the same way as they do today with patients who prefer not to be attended by a doctor of a different race).

Ah, there's a difference though.

If an NHS Dr is asked not to treat a patient due to their race, the Dr can take legal action against their employer. And do.
Currently, a man in a dress cannot.

If the law changes, men in dresses will get the same protection as those people of minority race, religion etc.

What man wouldn't put on a dress? All the privilege of being part of the majority plus all the protection of being a minority?!