New anti-trans legislation in North Carolina

[SlowFJH]

Of course it's been driven by the religious right wing. But it does aim to achieve what many posters here appear to advocate - namely that biological males can only use men's toilets and changing rooms etc. Biological females must only use women's toilets and changing rooms. Will it gain wider support?

lass

Brilliant.

I think slow must have stolen back the copy of the playbook that he accuses feminists of having - derail, obfuscate, ignore, name call. If only I could remember where I'd seen that before...

Can't believe you misgendered the fragrant Alex too, slow. You bigot.

it is strange to think that there can't be a word to denote people of the biological morphology consistent with the capacity for ovulation, pregnancy and birth, who have structures such as ovaries, uterus, oviducts.

here we are, able to invent words, all of which can mean whatever we want them to mean, and yet, there is no word for these people, and furthermore, it is an offence to try to come up with one.

why is that exactly?

I know, when it's so obvious that Alex is not only a woman, but a lesbian as well.

Hi SLOW, care to answer? Or do you just concentrate on easy pickings? And your avoidance and silence speaks volumes on your agenda.

I think you care not about transgender issues.

Crappymummy - quite.

Slow as a lurker on this thread I would say your arguments have been trounced tbh.

Now you know there is a case of a transgender woman suing a rape crisis centre for being refused a job there.

Could you comment on this now the facts have been provided for you? I would (genuinely) like to know your opinion on it.

I quite like Alex Drummond. Setting all else aside she definitely does have an interesting take on what is normal for men and women to wear.

again, I think it bears repeating

Imagine trying to bankrupt a rape crisis centre (in a city whe a serial killer preyed on the most vulnerable women for years, by the way) through legal proceedings, all because they wouldn't validate your self image

Imagine feeling that righteous about your right to inflict your 'help' where it was not only unwanted, but held to be harmful

imagine then trying to cast your behaviour as trying to help women, anti-oppressive, liberatory and a blow for women everywhere

y'know, I think maybe I am starting to get the hang of this 'words don't mean anything necessarily beyond whatever you want them to mean in that instant'

Hermione
"The implication was that the response would be...robust"

See this is exactly what I mean about the techniques of inciting hatred and fear. You are now bringing deeply Islamophobic prejudices into the mix.

Does your Muslim "friend" know that you have inferred from her comment ("I'd like to see them try that here") that she meant lynching? And now you are promulgating your inference as evidence that a mosque would murder a person in that situation.

I am not going to report CoteDAzure or you for Islamophobia. I hope the crass stupidity of your deliberately inflammatory statements are still available for people to read in years to come.

slow what do you think of the cotton ceiling? Do you think that lesbians who don't accept male bodied TW as sexual partners are transphobic?

This is where self identification and the bathroom debate logically leads to - if TW are women , if "woman" is a feeling not a biological lived reality, if we stop segregating loos on the basis of sex we end up with men in womens prisons, rape crisis centres, hospital wards, refuges, showers at the gyms etc etc. And it's already happening - it's not some prediction of a dystopian future - every single one of those has happened.

Your original post stated this was religious right wing prejudice. Care to state what religion that is COTE?

Do you accept that your inference /interpretation of what your Muslim friend said is Islamophobic and has the potential of inciting racial and religious bigotry?

Cote 's post has already been deleted.

Now now slow I think you need to calm down. I never said she implied a lynching - she was clear there would be zero tolerance. We didn't get into exactly what that would look like.

IIRC cote has lived in turkey so probably knows a fair few Muslims and if she's islamaphobic, she must have had a hell of a time living there.

I am now atheist, but come from a Muslim country and half my family are Muslim. It would make my life pretty difficult if I had an irrational fear and hatred of them based on their faith.

Now, would you like to answer any of the questions you've been asked, or are you just going to throw around unsubstantiated accusations and tell us again that we're on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY!

Ooh yes please, hermione.

I'd particularly like to hear about the rationale for misgendering poor Alex.

Islam is sexist to the core and does women no good at all. That statement is easily proven. As for trans people there are not many about. Many of us just about never use public toilets and are sensible not to get sent to prison. I don't even go into shops much these days and 100% buy clothes on line so all these issues like toilets seem totally irrelevant. We can work around in particularly work places where trans women and trans men can urinate reasonably easily.

What we do need from trans people is acknowledgement of the huge sexism and discrimination against women in the UK which is a much much bigger issue and problem than trans issues which affect a much small number of people.

crappymummy it won't matter, because anything is anything, names are meaningless, and everything means whatever anyone wants it to

Not sure how that follows from what I have said. Humans can make up words but it requites a sufficiently large number of people. The word "literally" did not change to what it is currently listed in the OED as meaning, because one person unilaterally decided to shift away from the original meaning given to it.

it sure is curious then, that given the number of people in the world, there just isn't a word to describe 'people whose biological morphology is consistent with the capacity to ovulate, menstruate, gestate and give birth, and enter a menopause'

It is even weirder when you think that about half of all existing people have morphologies consistent with the above

maybe if they had common oppressions, or health issues, like reproductive freedom for example, it might be worth having a name for them

never mind, I'll be over here with my bearded, cock-having sisters

speaking of privileges, do posters feel that the ability to treat issues that directly affect the health, safety and happiness of others as a fun debate and excuse to show off their rhetorical chops because nothing in it can ever affect the, negatively in any way counts as a kind of a privilege?

maybe being a dude really does put you into a neutral, impartial position, being so very far above it all

Yes, I think being about to detach yourself in that way is a privilege. Because when you've run out of ways to make yourself appear foolish, as has happened on this thread, you can just walk away, male privilege intact.

• able

Totally, crappymummy.

It's a rhetorical virtue signalling, point scoring exercise for Slow. Like a school debate, but for closet MRAs. It's easy to disengage when it won't ever affect you. Plus, of course, the testicles of objectivity.

I gave up when he started going on about religious prejudice WRT to Muslims, which given that the whole point of his thread is how WRONG feminists are to side with the religious right who made this bill (who he describes as "gun toting pillocks" and "morons" who are ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY) is a bit...baffling.