New anti-trans legislation in North Carolina

[SlowFJH]

Of course it's been driven by the religious right wing. But it does aim to achieve what many posters here appear to advocate - namely that biological males can only use men's toilets and changing rooms etc. Biological females must only use women's toilets and changing rooms. Will it gain wider support?

Perhaps women need to form an alliance with everyone else who's on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY?

I think it might end up being quite a big side

SlowFJH, what if I identify as not being on The Wrong Side of History? Surely you are required then to respect my identity as such?

Lol at windy

Has anyone else noticed that the concept of the wrong side of history is on the wrong side of history? It only works if you share with 19th century historians a very naive belief that mankind is destined to perpetual progress. Would that it were so....

The overwhelming trend (I am delighted to say) is towards more tolerance and respect for differences. My gay friends in the UK and US can't quite believe how far things have moved WRT to issues like gay marriage. We are getting more progressive and liberal (despite Trump, Farrage and the Daily Fail). This what I mean about being on the right side of history vs the wrong side.

The way the trans community is vilified by radical feminists bears all the hallmarks of the way other oppressed minorities have been targeted as the focal point of unfounded fear, hatred and blame for wider ills.

This thread has proved the point.

I do concede that there has been one recorded case (from 1995) of a trans woman making a complaint about a rape crisis centre.

that one recorded case began in 1995, and carried on until 2007

not quite ancient history, then

That's bollocks though Slow. Certain kinds of differences, yes, gay rights definitely, others not so much. If you think we respect and are more tolerant of the elderly then I don't know where you are living, certainly not in the same country as me. You are seeing only what you want to see - which is exactly how believers in perpetual progress have always managed to deceive themselves.

Slow, drop the act. You don't give a shit about feminists, radical or otherwise, as your posts on previous threads make extremely clear. You've just found a new way to attack them that lets you frame it as 'progressive' (you and so many other men.) You're full of shit and you know it.

Not seeing any answering of questions there.

My gay friends

Ooh get you.

It's not a question of conceding to the existence of a transwoman suing the rape crisis centre. It's a fact. I was interested in hearing your view of it, which you haven't given.

What you have to ask is why your ire is not directed at men, for it is almost exclusively them, who are violent and abusive to transgender men and women and stop them living their lives in peace? Why aren't you angry that a transgender woman can't go in the male loos, dressed top to toe in women's clothing, with a beard too if they want, urinate into a urinal and leave without any concern whatsoever for their safety?

' Biological females must only use women's toilets and changing rooms.'

I'm just going to come back to the OP again and remind people this is not true.

Single occupancy facilities can still be provided for trans people who have not legally changed their sex and/or who identify as neither male or female.

The whole basis of this thread is simply untrue.

slugs I admire your determination.

It stands to reason that voyeristic and dangerous men will take advantage of any legislation designed to protect the rights of "people who appear male".

The trans-activists are so vehement in their determination to bring this about though, despite the risk it poses to trans-women.

I wonder why?

slow what do 'your gay friends' think about the fact that much trans rhetoric on young people is to encourage many who would have grown up to be gay or lesbian in the past to transition? Gay conversion therapy? Eradication of gays and lesbians? A lot of the trans aganeda is homophobic in the extreme. I doubt your gay friends (if they exist), once they did some reading, would think much of it. And the other thing is that improving gay rights didn't make straight people's rights worse. No feminists want TG people to be treated as anything other than equal with everyone else. Unfortunately some TAs, who are getting a lot of attention and the ear of influential people, aren't interested in equality. They want women to shut up and shove over. Kind of reeks of male privilege, doesn't it?

I do hope Alex Drummond is fit and well.

Only I understand from your friends SlowFJH, that misgendering a transgender person, as you have done, literally kills transpeople.

It's lucky we're not all as mad as trans-tumblers, otherwise we'd be reporting you to the police for online murder.

(Because real murder, of women by men, are just us being on the wrong side of history.)

Touche Askbasil

I found this site quite helpful in articulating my thoughts around why we have sex-segregated spaces - it explores different areas of sex segregation and their purpose and meaning. for example, the difference between sex segregated toilets and women-focused political meetings. For anyone genuinely interested (ie not Slow), it's a good read and might help you nail down where you stand on when and how it's appropriate for women facilities, movements or institutions to include or not include transwomen and why it's not transphobic to talk about when and how that happens.

selkie that site is brilliant - thank you

Hermione
"Cote...has lived in Turkey so probably knows a fair few muslims"

If that's true it makes her statement even more Islamophobic. She stated, as a certainty, what Muslims would do.

This is exactly the same bullshit we see from the EDL and it is purposely designed to inflate fear.

It's in italics now.

So it must be true.

slow why are you in favour of a course of action that places trans-women, and women, at greater risk than if they were provided with dedicated facilities for their use?

I would hope all trans women are feminists. Surely it's hard not to be? It just means equality under the law and fairness at home. If you transition the last thing you want is to be lumbered with more house cleaning and child care than would otherwise be the case and requirement to wear restrictive clothing like high heels surely?

We are shoulder to shoulder with trans people, we feminists.

And although there are some feminist muslims anyone who wants fairness and equality for all cannot follow Islam. It is sexist to the core

Hi slow are you going to answer any questions or just spout more nonsense?