Trans women as NUS Women's Officer- Part 2

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Last few posts from Part 1;
sieReturningParker

Some of her aims:

Gender neutral sex ed
Women in leadership making room for transwomen (because you know how many women are in leadership roles)
BUS accepting transwomen to compete as women in sports

Today 16:19 ShortcutButton

4th if Anna and Sarah were TRUELY allies of women then they would seek to address the concerns that women are expressing in reasoned tones, over and over and over again in varies forums

Instead, they held an emergency meeting (this is before my poutburst) and decided the beast course of action was not to respond to women

How can you consider that approach to be the action of people that understand women, align with women, want to advocate for women????

Think of it as a personal relationship. Your lover or friend is expected to support and care for you. The person is acting in a way that you feel is not in your best interests. You attempt to start a conversation with your friend/lover to discuss this. They totally blank you and refuse to acknowledge that you even spoke

How do yuou feel about that person? Are they your friend?

Taking the analogy further...you get frustrated that you are being silenced and your concerns ignored and have a short aggressive outburst

NOW that person is listening to you. Telling everyone how violent and scary you are. Using this as an excuse for never having to listen to you again...a reason noone should take your opinion seriously...

How do you feel about that person now? That's an abusive narcissist personality type

Today 16:17 VincentVanLowe

They know you aren't threatening them. Your post was clearly making a point about the difference between criticism and concern versus threatening and harassment. The latter is what women are subjected to every day by trans activists. The former is what Lee and Noble have been busy deleting and dismissing as 'bigotry'. They've chosen to misrepresent posts here and elsewhere in order to play act like they believe a bunch of women posting on mumsnet are actually any sort of physical threat to them, two good sized males with plenty of media backing - it's farcical, we all know it is.

Today 16:16 PrettyBrightFireflies

4th - so why wouldn't you support a man in the role of NUS Womans Officer ?

If having experience is not relevant to the role, then what is the difference between a trans-woman and a man in fighting for the Annafesto?

pretty absolutely - there will be nothing to stop Stephonknee for example coming in and watching the "other" 6 year old girls get changed .

Hermione, it would be great if someone could bring a legal case against the hospital to argue that woman's rights to privacy, dignity and safety are being violated.

Maryz I'm exactly the same - previously a vocal trans ally. Was made aware around the time of the Mary Beard Twitter spat, so about a year ago, via the wonderful women of MN. I am really grateful to the previously small number of posters who were brave enough to say "hang on, do you know what's happening" and put up with lots of accusations of transphobia.

I feel now there's a growing critical mass of us, at least on here, saying "women can see"

Agree toast. I don't have any legal expertise though, but it must be a breach of her human rights to be forced to share intimate space with a man?

I want to DO something to help her.

I am sat on the sofa, watching age of ultron, mans dressing gown on, no makeup, haven't styled my very short hair, drinking a beer

So i am already living like a man, and i my real first name can be used for both men and women

go me !!!!

Did i ruin it by going...go me!!!

Hermione! How horrendous. Honestly, how is that keeping women safe?
Lumpy, your comments about narcissm are spot on, I do get the feeling that for some teens, the extra attention that being trans gives them, as opposed to being gay, or being an effeminate heterosexual, does push them towards a trans identity.

Yes Maryz, that could happen v easily, and I would not be happy putting my daughters in that position. Would the policy makers feel fine if their elderly mothers were put in a bed next to a man when in hospital? Or if their young daughters were expected to change in front of a self identified "lesbian" with a penis?

Narcisism - why be a straight male person when you can be a queer gender-fluid person, WITHOUT BEING ANY DIFFERENT AT ALL?!
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Yes I feel that too. But the ugly truth is that almost all of the violence, sexual or otherwise, against girls and women will be by men. I absolutely couldn't care less what sexual orientation my daughters' teachers have, it is none of my business at all, but I would not like a man, dressed up as a woman, to supervise them changing for sports or swimming. Or for them to have to share loos, showers or changing rooms with boys.

slugs I thought the same when I watched the voice, Theo didn't have a chance did he.

Rufus, not sure that I have ever heard a man say 'go me' - it would never occur to most that going somewhere (if they wish to go there) is not or maybe best not be an option. If that makes sense.

'You go, girl!!' has no masculine equivalent.

Possibly over-thinking here, but enjoy your beer nonetheless

What about "go on, son!"?

"Get in there"?

Ah. Would you say that to anyone over the age of ten RomCom?

Dammit, i knew i'd fucked up there

Still more manly than Dh though

Who is currently watching Frozen...by himself

Have been reading these threads with interest. I ended up in an argument with a friend who supports Anna Lee. The more I read and think about this, the angrier I become. One of the points my friend made was that she wouldn't want a man to stand but Anna Lee is okay because she's a woman and I'm transphobic to suggest otherwise. Yet her main point is this: "no one person can ever represent an entire gender - and that's not the of the role" which means a man can run, right? The mind boggles...

What about "go on, son!"?

Add a "my" in there, as in "go on, my son!" and I've heard it a few times, said to and about men.

which means a man can run, right?

Just a thought, but when it is a democratically elected position, whoever the women vote for would hopefully be someone they are comfortable with representing them. What I mean is, if Anna does win, then that is what those who voted wanted?

stressed

That's my view, too. Either the post of Women's Officer is filled by a 'representative woman' or it's filled by someone who 'represents women'.

The former requires a female/biological woman who can relate to many of the issues women face, the latter can be anyone; male, female, trans-.

A trans-woman cannot be a representative woman, as they have not personally experienced of the types of issues women face. They can however, represent women; but then, so could a man!

Japab - the voting is done by 'representatives' at a conference.

JAPAB the problem is most students won't actually bother to vote. I've recently left university and most of my student friends didn't (and still don't for those who are still students) bother voting in the student union or NUS elections. For me it's about more than just the impact on students though, it's about a wider issue and what it means for women in future. Thing is most of the people who support Anna categorically wouldn't support a man standing for the same position.

Exactly Pretty !!