Trans women as NUS Women's Officer- Part 2

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Last few posts from Part 1;
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Some of her aims:

Gender neutral sex ed
Women in leadership making room for transwomen (because you know how many women are in leadership roles)
BUS accepting transwomen to compete as women in sports

Today 16:19 ShortcutButton

4th if Anna and Sarah were TRUELY allies of women then they would seek to address the concerns that women are expressing in reasoned tones, over and over and over again in varies forums

Instead, they held an emergency meeting (this is before my poutburst) and decided the beast course of action was not to respond to women

How can you consider that approach to be the action of people that understand women, align with women, want to advocate for women????

Think of it as a personal relationship. Your lover or friend is expected to support and care for you. The person is acting in a way that you feel is not in your best interests. You attempt to start a conversation with your friend/lover to discuss this. They totally blank you and refuse to acknowledge that you even spoke

How do yuou feel about that person? Are they your friend?

Taking the analogy further...you get frustrated that you are being silenced and your concerns ignored and have a short aggressive outburst

NOW that person is listening to you. Telling everyone how violent and scary you are. Using this as an excuse for never having to listen to you again...a reason noone should take your opinion seriously...

How do you feel about that person now? That's an abusive narcissist personality type

Today 16:17 VincentVanLowe

They know you aren't threatening them. Your post was clearly making a point about the difference between criticism and concern versus threatening and harassment. The latter is what women are subjected to every day by trans activists. The former is what Lee and Noble have been busy deleting and dismissing as 'bigotry'. They've chosen to misrepresent posts here and elsewhere in order to play act like they believe a bunch of women posting on mumsnet are actually any sort of physical threat to them, two good sized males with plenty of media backing - it's farcical, we all know it is.

Today 16:16 PrettyBrightFireflies

4th - so why wouldn't you support a man in the role of NUS Womans Officer ?

If having experience is not relevant to the role, then what is the difference between a trans-woman and a man in fighting for the Annafesto?

I also hope you are right vinnce

Vince I agree that this sisclassic behaviour from rising generations. The difference is that this time laws are being changed to accommodate their wants and whims.

I'm struggling to get past the fact that my voice, our voices as women are being silenced. We can't talk about what it is to be a woman because that makes us a TERF. But a man, born male, socialised as a male, who feels like a woman can represent all woman and freely define what it is to be a woman, and any woman who dares to question it is silenced, censored, accused of transphobia. Misogynistic, hate-filled comments are left to standon social media and news websites while any comments questioning the trans rhetoric are removed for being transphobic.

And this is all freely accepted and defended by some people.

I'm scared. Genuinely scared for myself and every other woman and girl.

Sheldon we can and we will talk about this. The worst thing they can do is to silence us.

I too feel frustrated and angry about this. We can write to our MPs.

www.writetothem.com

We can complain about the reporting of the Claire Derbyshire case, to the BBC, to the met police, to ipso, to the many media sources that reported it disingenuously.

Write to George Barrow about the reporting and recording of crimes committed by mtt and placing of transgender prisoners: [email protected]

Million Women Rise is this Saturday in central London. Come and march in solidarity with women all over the world against male violence.

www.millionwomenrise.com

Keep talking about it. I have no problems with trans rights at all, but I won't let them keep women back or down. Women have a very long way to go to achieve equality in the UK. Also a lot of trans people have had all kinds of psychological difficulties in adjusting and growing up and with relationships with parents and the like so they are never going to be the best and most stable people to represent us, speak for women; just as I avoid men as partners who have mental illness problems.

We will certainly all keep talking about this.

crayon One of the campaigns that "Million Women Rise" supports is "Sisters Uncut" - the website for which is littered with the terms "self-defining women" and "cis-women".

I fear that my views would not be welcomed there.

Keep talking about it. I have no problems with trans rights at all, but I won't let them keep women back or down.

But that's what they will do.

Imagine it like a cake. There is men's piece of cake, about thee quarters. Then there is women's piece of cake, one quarter (and that's me being generous in my estimation).

Whose piece of cake (rights) are they going to take away to get some cake for themselves? Sure, they should take a piece out of men's part of the cake. But men are powerful and dangerous and will oppose any attempt to take anything even a bit of their privilege away from them.

Therefore, as any jerk who steals candy from little children, they are going to grab women's rights and take away half, if not the whole of it.

Because that's the easiest way.

I know Maryz, it's frightening. I was also thinking of the Faafafine in New Zealand, where males are socialised to take on the female role.

Though to be fair the Faafafine are a thrid gender, they aren't trying to be women, they are Faafafine. However; it is still a way of eradicating homesexuality.

The effeminate man I know is straight and most of the gay men I know are quite blokey blokes.

Pretty I had similar fears about MWR, but a friend who's been before tells me TAs won't touch it.

It's a march for women and girls, 99.9% of the world understands the definition of these words to be biological. They won't be grilling anyone on their individual views. Male violence is the common enemy here and the focus of the march.

I've been lurking on this thread for a couple of days and have signed up so I can comment.
How about this for a positive action we can all take:

I am thinking that I will change to become a male. I have looked it up on dvla and can change my licence with a name change form. Changing it with other authorities should also be simple. After all it is not allowed for them to miss-gender me so if they refuse I can involve the police. I will not change my name, it will be nice not to have to use miss/Mrs any more anyway as I don't like to reveal my marital status. And I will not change my appearance an I don't see why a man shouldn't dress/have hair like me.

If many women choose to do this it will subvert and undermine the whole meaning of gender (why do they need to know anyway for most things) then for the things it is relevant for - healthcare for instance - the question can be about biological sex.

I was beginning to think everyone had accepted the new reality until I saw this, and others must feel the same.

So just my opinion, but something that makes a big difference is ensuring that for every thread on here (or elsewhere) that says "well everyone knows they are women" there's at least one poster saying "no, most people don't know that" otherwise a newcomer assumes they are the only one doubting it and falls into line.

Could even have a new thread say each month about how far things have gone.

Amili I've thought about identifying as a man but keeping my appearance as it is. The thing is I don't think a single person would take it seriously in my real life. And I hate attention so wouldn't seek press attention. And even if I did I doubt they'd take it seriously. I just think it'd go ignored. I'd be too scared to start going into men's changing rooms etc and I wouldn't want to deal with any confrontations. Wow I'm a right wimp basically.

It doesnt seem to be mentioned outside of fwr again. I know it drives some people loopy ("not another trans thread!") but i think these little stories (the nus and the murderer for eg) do need to be brought to regular posters attention. Not that i feel confident being the one to do it though!

This has probably been mentioned in one of the threads but I keep thinking about that woman who got a boob job on the NHS and got absolutely slaughtered for it. If she'd been born a man it would have been reported very differently.

I have just read a testimony by a woman who is currently on a psych ward. A 6'4" pre op transwoman (ie: intact male) was brought into the bed next to her. None of the toilets or showers have locks on the doors due to safeguarding issues, and she's absolutely petrified.

Staff have told her he has every right to be in the ward and made her feel like a complete pain for wanting them to stand outside the showers etc when she's using them.

I could bloody cry for her, I just could.

I think there is a "blissful ignorance" about the issue until it affects someone personally.

For instance, an article I read earlier today about transgender children, saying that it is now the case that most transgender DCs socially transition while at primary school.

How many MNers know that when their primary aged DCs go off to their swimming lessons, they may be sharing changing facilities with DCs of the opposite sex? Are they prepared for the questions? "Why does my friend Sally have a willy and I don't, even though we're both girls?" Or "Will my willy fall off, cos my friend Jack hasn't got one?"

Come to that, if a teacher self-identifies as a woman, presumably, they would supervise the girls changing rooms at the swimming pool?

I just read it too herm :(

Its fucking disgusting