Aibu to think this is not a solution to paedophilia

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www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japanese-company-manufactures-lifelike-child-sex-dolls-for-paedophiles-a6811046.html

A company in Japan wants to manufacture life like sex dolls of young girls, I feel sick to my stomach. I am so dumbstruck by this I don't even know how to articulate how upset I am.

No pedophile thinks a child is sexually attracted to them in return, they enjoy how the sexual desire is one-sided.

You have it wrong, its far more terribly sinister. Its not as simple as dragging a random child into a public toilet against their will, thats as mythical as rape being commonly the 'shifty stranger in a dark alley'. A child is more often in a very close social relationship with their abuser. They mature in an environment where they learn to accept and reciprocate sexual behaviours as a way of expressing their love for the adult. Without physical pain to tell the child its 'wrong' it becomes normalised through trust and repetition. The desire of the child to please the adult sexually, though not understanding what they do as sexual, is what gets their abuser off. Its not just twisted sex, its twisted love.

Dad, that's too simple, there are many differences between offenders .
In the not too recent past, my work involved me with young people with learning difficulties. The group most likely to be abused.
However there were young people (male , never met a female sexual abuser under 18, although I am sure there must be) who sexual abuse children.
Opportunity and low impulse control being the main factors.
The concern around many young men with learning difficulties was that they did not have the opportunity to learn appropriate sexual behaviour. Their emotional and academic peer group being several years younger. They are excluded and othered by other teenagers.
This is only one group, in each group the external factors affecting learning appropriate relationships are myriad.
There has been very little research done and what has been published is fiercely disputed by professionals in the field.

I can feel myself getting bogged down already.

But dolls for this group? Absolutely not.

So far i don't think a compelling reason has been given for pursuing research which could likely increase the risk of children being abused.

I also don't think these dolls should be available for sale. How do these dolls even get through customs

Oh jeez, how can this be a good idea. Simultaing something heinous in order to protect potential victims does not sound healthy - more like just inserting one more step before the inevitable.

How could it possible be ethical to test the dolls, given the theoretical risk of it increasing liklihood to offend?

Yes, I can't help thinking that the dolls sound like a terrible idea.

The last section of this radio programme is an interesting/troubling discussion about paedophiles who don't want to offend and how difficult it is for them to access help: www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/522/tarred-and-feathered

This thread is terrifying and has been very difficult to read. Why not make women doll punch bags? maybe that'll reduce wife beaters? Oh wait, where's any hint of evidence behind that hypothesis??

It's not a sexual preference. That's like saying raping women is a sexual preference, or abusing animals. Paedophiles will say anything to make it sound normal! It fucking isn't. Most of them don't even have the insight into why they do it so I wouldn't take much stock in what they say, they have lots of bloody reasons to minimise and redirect blame.

Thank you msrisotto for that. I thought I was going mad here.

And accusing someone who has been sexually abused of 'projection' because they won't entertain the idea that paedophilia is not a sexual preference is inappropriate and quite frankly shameful.

Agree with Mrs risotto 100%

Though i agree is it not just a sexual preference abusers yes will try to make it seem normal not all are paedophiles, some are and abuse children this is typical abusive behaviour to not take on the responsibility of your actions

There are also paedophiles that do no see it as normal who are tormented by their feelings of attraction to children they are aware that there is something wrong with them to feel the way they do

There are also lots of pedophiles who are perfectly capable of maintaining perfectly fulfilling sexual relationships with adult women. Many who father children.

It is a choice to pursue your own arousal from abusing children whether you are "tormented" by it or not. Even if you are only persuing this arousal "intellectually" not physically.

How my heart bleeds for a pedophile so "tormented" by their desire to abuse children.

"There are also lots of pedophiles who are perfectly capable of maintaining perfectly fulfilling sexual relationships with adult women. Many who father children."

IMO this is because they aren't "true" paedophiles, they are child abusers. A paedophile has a sexual attraction to children. A child abuser does these things for a whole load other reasons that have been discussed loads of time.

I don't have any evidence for this but id say a true paedophile is quite rare compared to a child abuser

What does it matter if you or I do or do not feel sympathy

We have a very serious issue that we seem unable to deal with that is child sexual abuse. if in anyway it can be prevented by understanding why some men/women feel this way and they are not constantly demonised and they can get support to manage their feelings (self loathing is harmful often not only to the person who feels it) it is more likely to be successful

There is never going to be a time when people openly admit to something so heinous but we should be moving onto a time when we deal with the causes and those that want support can get it

One of my tutors who had worked in the prison service told us that she was shocked at how many men were in prison were pedophiles not that they has acted upon it but had gone down a road of self destruction through their hatred of themselves some had been abused themselves (the wanting to act out the pain felt is not unusual and very complex to deal with but it is never ever an excuse) now if they were only harming themselves and their lives what does it matter some might say but it's unlikely they are

It's complex as you pointed out many are married or have partners and have children themselves and that's the danger we don't know who but we should not longer bury our heads in the sand it doesn't protect children and that is who ultimately we want to protect

These dolls are horrific and I agree with the posters saying all they do is insert an extra step before the inevitable. I also worry that it might be a bit too close to the 'real thing' this desensitising a peadophile to the act making them more likely to commit it on a real child.

Thanks for the back up scallops.

Obviously knowing first hand about this is just me projecting.

However, now I'll know exactly how to treat anything written by the peadophile apologists on the thread. Always good to know what people really think, isn't it?

Really

There are no apologists on this thread

It's wrong to say there is when no one has excused abuse

Unless I have missed a post who has said anything about projecting

Read the first page.

I'm surprised it took 90 something posts before paedophile apologists was mentioned

Are you?

So am I actually.

I understand why some might feel it was hurtful and difficult to get their head around

But apologists not sure I agree there no one has excised any abuse

I don't agree with the said posts but there are those who look at this from a completely scientific point of view and I am quite glad there is it might further understand why

There will often be posts along the lines of they should all burn at the stakes but there should also be open discussion on different theories of why and how to deal with this issue too

And yes maybe this isn't the discussion for some but that is for them to decide

Excused ....

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It's like allowing someone to go in a room and murder a load of fake people to satisfy their compulsion to murder, surely that's more damaging?"

I think this is a really good point, and I think violent video games need to feature in this somewhere. Surely any research around the effects of acting out harmful fantasies applies to both (not in tbe same way but they will have aspects in common)

Also agree with a pp that the rights of children need to feature as highly as the treatment of peadeophiles or child abusers. Their rights must not be forgotten in working out what works.

there is no consensus in MH authorities that pedophilia is a mental illness. And if it were classified as that , that wd raise other very concerning social and legal questions apart from the harm to cc. As far as the dolls are concerned, it wd be a step to breaking down barriers and lead to more actual assaults on cc. Adults addicted to what ever are not helped by indulging in a little of whatever they are addicted to. They have to hold the line and NOT step over it.

Grays suggested Palmer was projecting on Friday @ 12:23. Shutting women up who are talking about their experiences with paedophiles is certainly not the basis for a "completely scientific point of view".