Can we have a general Trans thread?

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Sorry for another trans thread and I feel this is a bit of an imposition given I don't post really.

Anyway reading FWR over the past few months has re-radicalised me. I've been reading lots here and wider.

Anyway just now been watching TV and there's been some stuff that's given me the rage but didn't seem to fit in existing threads or it's own thread.

Anyway thing that gave me the rage.
On BBC3 program on transgemder teen's the doctor just said "creating a vagina". Are doctors redefining vagina as pocket rather than a passage? Makes me want to screem.

Also Sarah Ditum being no platformed.

Yes, all women have a seven inch surprise...

Sorry, NO women have a seven inch surprise.

So Tara is free to go round knocking men's teeth out in bars within the worry of being locked up in the male prison?!

So apart from having a penis and the small matter of the teeth knocking out, Tara is TOTALLY living as a woman

I'm stood up in a lot of my fb pictures, or at least sat in a normal chair

Huzzah, im cured - i dont need my wheelchair anymore!!

It's as easy as that, BeyondThirty. Just identify as a non wheelchair user. Don't let biology get in the way

I cannot take this person seriously.

Trouble is, Vestal, that other people do - "Stefonknee" was one of the people thanked by name in the Canadian parliament for getting the "people with penises general access to women's space" bill through (or whatever it's called).

I won't link, and I won't look again to see if it's been removed, but "Stefonknee"'s pinterest page is a wtf-tastic mix of pics of real little girls in party dresses and photos of fetish porn. He has "play dates" with an actual real little girl, though why any parent would let him within a million miles of a small child is beyond me. How he hasn't been arrested is a mystery for our times. Instead yesterday, Monday, the Toronto police were broadcasting "trans woman missing" notices on twitter. He'd been missing since Sunday night in Church and Wellsley, and reappeared Monday morning. Since C&W is Toronto's gay village, all he'd done is have a night out, and yet all the trans activists on social media were broadcasting death threats to "TERFs" for causing him to "go missing". (Guess how long it takes, on average, for the Toronto police to advertise it when, say a First Nations woman goes missing? No prizes for guessing that it's a hell of a lot longer than "overnight at the weekend".)

Meanwhile, most of the gender-crit transwomen I know on social media are absolutely hopping mad that this asshole is being presented as a trans woman instead of the fucking nightmare that he is.

I might be misunderstanding don'tcallme but I think it's thin ice to say your not being transphobic if your not beating trans people up.

You always hear people saying racist/ homophobic/ sexist gets thrown around too much but who decides what is or isn't offensive?

Oo. This is miles OT but i feel i can share on a general thread without derailing...

I was explaining to dh what cis is, and why cis is offensive not only to me but to him (as a non macho male), and so the word cis is now in his vocab. Few hours later he suddenly looks out of the window, points to our car and sings "cis-formers, cars not in disguise"

Mide I think the difference is that everyone I know who has been called transphobic (including plenty of actual trans people) don't hate or fear trans people, and do want full human rights for trans people to live their lives as happy as they can make them. They don't, for example, think trans people are sinful just for being trans, whereas homophobes do think gay people are sinful for being gay. Where the "transphobia" comes in is in believing that a lot of the ideology pushing current extreme trans activism is dangerous bullshit, and in believing that it's possible to give trans people rights without taking all those rights away from women while you do it.

And BeyondThirty, I salute your DH.

But mide, that would surely (technically) be a difference between transcist and transphobic?

Why do we use -ist for some and -phobic for others?? If -phobic implies fear and -ist hatred, surely it should be transcist?

I understand that Annie but to me I can see similarities with other things. A man in the street who makes an unsolicited comment to a woman probably doesn't hate or fear women either but would still be labelled misogynistic

I agree beyond. I think a lot of words used to describe these things have morphed into something. Racism is one that springs to mind.

I had BBC parliament on in the background and they were discussing Justice. My eyes were having semi permanent eyelashes placed so couldn't the name of the Female MP who asked the transwomen question. The answer was the ministry for Justice is expanding the review beyond prisons into the trans issue. I think some sensible planned lobbying is required to keep Women safe in this review.

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/women-and-equalities-committee/inquiries/parliament-2015/transgender-equality/

mide a man making unsolicited comments to a woman in the street (usually an assessment of how fuckable she is) might not fear women, but he certainly doesn't like them and sees them as a series of entertaining holes. That's pretty hateful, don't you think?

a man making unsolicited comments to a woman in the street (usually an assessment of how fuckable she is) might not fear women

He actually very certainly doesn't fear women. You don't make unsolicited comments to people you fear.
(I have always considered "homophobic" as a stupid word - there may be some few people who are actually phobic, but the loudest voices just hate homosexuals.)

"Transphobic" is misleading, as people are not irrationally afraid of transpeople, the fear is very rational, with regard to women not wanting to share locker rooms with trans "women", etc.

"Trans-critical" would be the correct word for those who just don't believe that whole gender myth.

Would you call me a transphobe then? Because I don't believe a transwoman is a woman mide? Even though I support their right to live as they want, without fear or abuse?

I do think yes hermione but would the man saying the comment agree, probably not. Which was kind of my point, who gets to decide who's being discriminatory.

No I wouldn't call you a transphobe ( not that it would matter if I did really) but I'm not a trans person. A trans woman might call you one. I don't know. As above all my point was who decides what is offensive.

Another problem with 'transphobic' is that it doesnt state trans- what ?

sorry mide. I don't understand your point. Is that supposed to be a rhetorical question? or do you have an answer to it?

I think all this stuff about about is transphobic same as homophobic is irrelevant anyway, when "transphobic" can include mentioning you have periods, calling FGM "FGM", or saying that you are a lesbian.

I think it's a continuation of the whole thing that physicality doesn't matter, it's what you think that counts, so saying something bad is as terrible as doing something bad.

Plus of course, policing language is an excellent way to keep detractors under control.

New to Mumsnet but have lurked for ages and especially on this subject. Have people seen the announcement of Gove that there will be a review of the issue transgender prisoners www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35029928

I wonder if anyone here knows the attitude of Women in Prison and other interested charities/campaigns? Is there a way for Mumsnetters who care about this issue to influence the outcome of this review, perhaps by writing to the Ministry of Justice?

Just tweeted by Miranda Yardley about Joanne Latham.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-35037388