Can we have a general Trans thread?

[Brugmansia]

Sorry for another trans thread and I feel this is a bit of an imposition given I don't post really.

Anyway reading FWR over the past few months has re-radicalised me. I've been reading lots here and wider.

Anyway just now been watching TV and there's been some stuff that's given me the rage but didn't seem to fit in existing threads or it's own thread.

Anyway thing that gave me the rage.
On BBC3 program on transgemder teen's the doctor just said "creating a vagina". Are doctors redefining vagina as pocket rather than a passage? Makes me want to screem.

Also Sarah Ditum being no platformed.

naefearty.wordpress.com/2014/07/22/gas-mark-six/comment-page-2/#comment-479

From that other thread

So interesting that the situation of the woman on Mumsnet seems quite similar in some ways to that outlined in Huffpost (not just the expectation that women should support a trans partner, but also adapt to an open relationship/polyamory too) www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/12/27/sarah-brown-transgender-couple-councillor-polygamous_n_8881136.html and yet in the Huffpost article that same scenario gets a completely positive spin (look how progressive, how accommodating and happy everyone is) without ever hearing directly from wife (her former husband, now wife, gets to speak for her entirely in this article).

her former husband, now wife, gets to speak for her entirely in this article And they have divorced and remarried twice so clearly it's not all been rosy.

To be fair, they divorced as a requirement of Sarah Brown getting a gender recognition certificate, and then subsequently had a civil partnership which they converted to a marriage on passing of same-sex marriage legislation. I would just have liked to get the wife's perspective.

That makes sense. Good for them if it works but I do wonder in relationships when one party changes the 'contract' out of all recognition.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3376262/Up-80-children-young-FOUR-trying-change-gender-year-evidence-youngsters-schools-encourage-transition.html

www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12070632/80-primary-school-pupils-a-year-seeking-help-to-change-gender-charity.html

Having to deal with schools on SEN, covering rare medical conditions, the trans community are not being singled out and let down.

Most SENCO Teachers only have a couple of training days per year.

"Trans" children make me so angry - we just need to broaden our ideas of what boys and girls like and do.

I am sceptical about children so young identiying as transgender.

I agree on broadening ideas.

This is a quote from a poster on a trans thread in site stuff who I think , assumes she has broadened her ideas, talking about her son "One of mine loves (among many other things) pink sparkly shit" - but why describe it as "shit"?

If her daughter liked something stereotypically seen as boys' toys would she have said "one of mine loves football shit"?

Just came across this delight on Everyday Feminism.

Rachel Dolezal, is a white woman who just one day decided she was going to be black, because she had an affinity for black culture. I never decided to be a trans woman. That’s simply a statement of the reality of my life. Being able to decide that one day you’re just going to be black, just reeks privilege to me.
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Part of being a black woman in this world, is coping with anti-blackness, and the self hate that comes from living in a euro centric society. ... It’s an experience that Rachel Dolezal will only know from an academic standpoint.
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I’ll be honest and say that I feel some type of way when I see a white woman, who is living in this country, that has a history of racism, who is very aware of that history of racism, feel entitled to positions that have been carved out for black women, as a white woman.

The whole thing is breathtakingly hypocritical. I'm lost for words.

And add to that the fact that older women, ugly or fat women are invisible, of course some men want that. The reality of being "wanted merely for looking good and being a sexual object, nothing else required" is deeply unpleasant. But this clearly doesn't occur to him.

It'd be great if all the men who want to be women could be wanted merely for being good looking sex objects, and the born women could opt out, then everyone would be happy
Unfortunately as a woman I don't have that option

Sorry, just to say I do realise that not all trans women want to transition so they can be sex objects.

Can't read whole thing as not a member, need to dsh but thought I'd share this, someone just shared on fb: Adults to get right to choose gender

*need to DASH! oops.

Here's the same article on another website:

www.newyorknewsgrio.com/world/113163-adults-to-get-the-legal-right-to-choose-gender.html

Is there any feedback on how self identification is working out in Ireland? Would be interesting to see.

I think it's a case of too early to tell in Ireland. I know there was a case in one of the Scandanavian countries of a trans-identified person who'd taken no treatment but had had their ID changed in a pool changing which caused a kerfuffle. But it was only really reported within the country and I can't remember which it was lol.

I'm very concerned about the unforeseen (by lawmakers) consequences of this. I wonder if we could pull together a standard letter to send to MPs expressing concern? I'm most worried it'll get nodded through in an effort to be 'right on'. I've even had to discuss it with DH in most basic terms as, well, mans view!

I think it will have a very interesting impact on, for example, the discussion about where transgender prisoners are housed. At the moment, the status quo basically says: 'house on basis of legal sex, with provision for special arrangements subject to individual consideration at case conference where no there is no change of legal sex but an assertion of gender identity.' If legal sex can be changed by assertion of gender identity alone, then we can expect a very significant increase in the number of transgender prisoners housed in the women's estate.

Does society have to take a toddler girl that proclaims they are a boy seriously.. or do they remember that it's a toddler with a toddler sized brain who mostly can't understand two feet in front of them?

Well, we're expected to take a middle aged man seriously when he declares he's a 6 year old girl, so who knows?

It's making me so angry that the NHS has to waste money on this crap whilst hordes of women suffering the aftermath of CSA get no therapy or support and in fact get labelled in a horrible blaming way (see BPD.)

I don't think I can deal with the shitty world anymore . Sorry.

I bet if I decided I identified as a man, I'd still get the crappy judgements due to being born female.

(For clarity - I've not suffered CSA, but have spoken to so many who have as I'm in the same outcast from NHS help group as them, also for being traumatised just differently.)