Can we have a general Trans thread?

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Sorry for another trans thread and I feel this is a bit of an imposition given I don't post really.

Anyway reading FWR over the past few months has re-radicalised me. I've been reading lots here and wider.

Anyway just now been watching TV and there's been some stuff that's given me the rage but didn't seem to fit in existing threads or it's own thread.

Anyway thing that gave me the rage.
On BBC3 program on transgemder teen's the doctor just said "creating a vagina". Are doctors redefining vagina as pocket rather than a passage? Makes me want to screem.

Also Sarah Ditum being no platformed.

I've just graduated university and my god it's been hard, being a gendercritical feminist surrounded by libfems at best and transactivists at worst, all of whom buy the ridiculous notion that sex has nothing to do with having a penis and vagina, and concepts such as "girl dick" and "man vagina" are actually a thing.

jorah I think I'd explode. I'm so glad I'm not part of any groups or on the scene any more.

I really worry for my kids though - hopefully by the time they're older this will all have been exposed for the nonsense it is?

How can any person smart enough to go to university not see all the evidence in front of them that there is such a thing as biological sex and it's dimorphic and Unchangeable? How do they explain the fact that only one group can have babies?

"Which means men are Proper Men with their obvious penis - a Proper Real sex organ. Whereas the uterus, ovaries etc. - the actual bit where new humans grow, and the bits that cause women all sort of problems - meh to them, they're irrelevant."

Men have invented a thousand synonyms to slur women's breasts (boobs, tits, ta-tas, etc.) and genitals (pussy, cunt, twat, etc.), but because if men don't see it then it doesn't really exist, men never seemed to have gotten around to slurring the uterus (blood bag?), cervix, or ovaries.

At least not in English, speakers of other languages should feel free to pipe in.

I feel like I need to drop this subject for a while. It's crackers. Makes you feel like you're going mad. It's all moving so fast though, and we need to be on the ball, otherwise what's the next law to be reviewed?

carpenter I know how you feel - I keep wanting a break from the madness, but then it feels like every day or so there's something else that chips away at women and I want to keep raising awareness, as that's our only way of fighting back

And those fucking freaks want me to be ok with them sharing female spaces with my daughters??

Fuck off

I think that autogynaephilia link is really helpful to show anyone who is campaigning for TW to have access to women's space - how do you know who is a "genuine" TW and who is a fetishist?

Yeah Hermione you'd just get told off for using extreme examples/painting all TG people with the same brush/ being transphobic

Yup.

We got from 'There's no evidence to suggest xyz'

To

'I don't accept THAT evidence/Transphobic'

Seen it here.

I agree that those who have "drunk the kool-aid" will be hard to de program, but the reasonable majority who are currently been fed a very specific and narrow agenda would be influenced by it I think.

Remember how many of us have been converted from trans allies to skeptics!

I used the "as a survivor, I'm not comfortable with sharing toilets with people with penises as I wouldn't feel safe" argument recently and was met "omg you heartless transphobe, how dare you say that all transwomen are rapists, you're so disgusting". What a lovely way to treat someone who has just opened up to you about something personal and their fear of public spaces. Literally no compassion for anyone but themselves.

I hope you're right Hermione. I really worry that we're just shouting into the wind as everyone else happily abolishes sex and women as people rather than receptacles for makeup and femalepenises.

They are selfish dicks, Cigars. Male entitlement at its worst.

I've had exactly the same reaction cigars on here

It's so telling how easy it is for them to bequeath women with "cis privilege" and ignore our history/reality/fears. Centuries of fighting our oppression and we're now being oppressed by our former allies, our oppression is appropriated by our former oppressors and we have so-called privilege forced upon us so our oppression no longer exists. So fucking telling.

I have managed to make my sister see sense, she was balls deep into all this self identification nonsense, I challenged her and realised very quickly that she was never entirely sold on the whole idea but was swept away with other issues and trans* orthodoxy seem to come with the package.

I don't enjoy being in lesbian 'spaces' or groups because I don't feel they centre women. Everything feel so insincere, as though you need to have a c.v to prove how intersectional, post structural and decolonial you are.

cigars I am so sorry that happened to you.

In my experience, not only do they not centre women, they let anyone who tries in for fear of being labelled transphobic. So you get "non-binary" men who look and dress and act like men but maybe wear eyeliner or nail polish at lesbian nights, on the dance floor grinding or in the toilets. And don't even get me started on the cotton ceiling...

I also have an issue with the trend for women (usually queer women ime) stuffing their pants with socks/a packer. I know this has always happened, but it just seems to be the expectation for gay women nowadays. I've certainly been asked why I don't. As if liking women automatically makes you a man now. And lesbians/queer women are just erased. I feel like we're going backwards in gay rights as well as women's rights.

Can someone define cotton ceiling and its salient points of debate for me please, just a what it is an bullet points to consider?

Decaff lesbians, by definition, aren't cool with having sex with penises. This is apparently horribly bigoted and transphobic and hateful, and all lesbians must at least consider the possibility of having a ladydick inside them.

The cotton ceiling refers to lesbians' underwear. It's a bit sick, really.

decaff the cotton ceiling is about the fact that TW are women, and indeed anyone who says they identify as a woman is a woman. Therefore lesbians should accept anyone who says they identify as a woman as a viable sexual partner, regardless of the fact they have a male body (and approx 70% of TW never have genital surgery, so majority are make bodied). Failure to do so is transphobic. It is this last exclusion zone that TW need to get through to achieve full acceptance and equality. The "cotton ceiling" refers to lesbians' underwear - the barrier that needs to be broken through for TW to be happy and fulfilled. In other words, men wanting to carry out corrective rape on lesbians.

TW HATE lesbians' refusal to see them as viable sexual partners for 2 reasons:

1. lesbians are only attracted to women. The fact they don't find TW attractive shows the "biology is socially constructed and it's gender which is real" for the lie it is
2. men have been raised to feel sexually entitled to women's bodies, and it enrages them not to have access to this group of women, because if they were to sleep with straight women (who are attracted to men's bodies) it would again reveal the lie that they are not actually women. They insist they are lesbians and moan about the lack of available sexual partners being transphobic instead

By the way, despite the fact that TW are completely and utterly women in every way, they are not expected to sleep with each other, because that might be "triggering". Only sexual access to born women's bodies will do.

X post with fingles who was much more succinct!

Haven't read the whole thread because I value my sanity but did read this page. I'm just checking, "fetish" and "freak" aren't in reference to all trans people are they? Because if they were that would obviously be completely unacceptable. Also sounds like there's a bit of "all trans people think xyz" going on too.
Sorry if I've taken it out of context.

cigars I remember the first time I saw someone 'packing' and being genuinely alarmed

Vashta 'fetish' was referring to autogynephilia, which a number of TW appear to have. Obviously does not refer to all transpeople, because no one's been round and asked them all after administering truth serum. Although apparently autogynephilia is not something we're allowed to discuss.

Autogynephilia is a fetish vashta and that's what pp were referring to
I agree with you about the use of the word freak