Can we have a general Trans thread?

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Sorry for another trans thread and I feel this is a bit of an imposition given I don't post really.

Anyway reading FWR over the past few months has re-radicalised me. I've been reading lots here and wider.

Anyway just now been watching TV and there's been some stuff that's given me the rage but didn't seem to fit in existing threads or it's own thread.

Anyway thing that gave me the rage.
On BBC3 program on transgemder teen's the doctor just said "creating a vagina". Are doctors redefining vagina as pocket rather than a passage? Makes me want to screem.

Also Sarah Ditum being no platformed.

but we are seeing so many examples where this - "and a wish to have surgery and hormonal treatment to make one's body as congruent as possible with one's preferred sex." - doesn't apply. We're being asked to accept 'female penis.'

Yes indeed, there's a corner of reddit that doesn't hate women and is willing to call a spade a spade. There's also a subreddit with the same name but an underscore which has different content but the same basic attitude: reddit.com/r/Gender_Critical

Just saw this on Twitter

Hermione - it takes quite a lack of thinking to make that first cartoon!

I'd say most women are pretty sure of their internal sexual organs - periods since I was 12, smear tests, other medical stuff, and having 2 children makes me pretty damn certain in fact. (I reckon a fair few men have more than an inkling too)

Fuck you dude, indeed, with knobs on.

Hermione

Interesting that it focuses on "internal genitalia" and how we have no idea what that looks like. There's something wrong with that that I can't quite put my finger on - like a vagina is some unknowable foreign country? As if it wasn't a proper organ or something, so yeah, who cares what's up there...probably teeth or something.

I've actually seen the inside of my uterus.

what many people call biological sex, has nothing to do with the medical or legal definition of sex

Is actually just bullshit.

I've read the first half of that cartoon over and over. Its delusional

What many people call biological sex has nothing to do with the medical and legal construct of sex.

1. Nothing to do with it? Not little, not less, but nothing? Words fail me.
2. "Medical ... construct of sex". Er, biological sex is PRECISELY this definition.
3. "Legal construct of sex". Have a point here - but it's precisely the situation they're campaigning for!

And yy freshwater - it implies than internal genetalia is irrelevant, doesn't really matter. Which means men are Proper Men with their obvious penis - a Proper Real sex organ. Whereas the uterus, ovaries etc. - the actual bit where new humans grow, and the bits that cause women all sort of problems - meh to them, they're irrelevant.

Or to put it another way: Men = with, women = without.

Oh but then again, nah keep your penis and decide you're a woman anyway!

Yes, the first cartoon shows a breathtaking lack of awareness of women's actual lived experience. But yes, your "womanhood" is just as valid as mine. (Not)

Assigned Male At Birth is just awful. Makes me cringe and rage in equal parts.

If a man who has a penis ejaculates seminal fluid during orgasm, and pre-ejaculate when aroused, he can make some very accurate assumptions about the internal structure of his genitalia in order for those things to have happened. Likewise a woman who menstruates, feels uterine cramps and sees blood, feels twinges at ovulation and creates lubricant when aroused can also make some educated guesses about what her internal genitalia and sexual organs look like.
What a crock.

Even better is famab and camab - forcibly/coercively assigned male at birth

I suppose I wasn't completely sure about my reproductive system until I became pregnant and subsequently gave birth, but I could have made a pretty good guess, due to having reached puberty and menstruated every month. That means fuck all to these idiots though doesn't it?

I've been having this argument with a bio-male "genderfluid" transactivist acquaintance for a few weeks now (I couldn't risk it with friends) and although it started v defensively on both sides, I used all the arguments from here and have got him to denounce the term "TERF" and properly look into gender critical feminism with an open mind. He looked up Miranda Yardley (who I'd never heard of before these threads) and said he agreed with a lot of it! I doubt he'll ever reach peak trans, but he's promised to be more sympathetic to women's opinions and rights re trans issues.

I've never managed to convince any trans person/activist before (though admittedly these topics usually only come up when I'm steaming drunk ) so I wanted to thank you all. These threads and these posters give me some hope for the bleak future

Well done Cigars!

Using "forcibly" or "coercively" in that context is disgusting. It's forcing the concept of violation onto women. Don't we get enough of that in reality without making common sense pronunciations like "it's a girl! Make sure you tell her about periods before she reaches puberty and tell her she's as good as any man" to be violent and use rapey language to describe it.

Hermione I went to a party with my university friends recently and added my opinions to their discussion of genderfluidity. It didn't go well as they're steadily all converting to non-binary identities. I was really worried when I woke up but thankfully they've put it down to the rather than actual firmly held gender critical beliefs. I guess I'll take what I get...

It is true that some women aren't that aware of what their reproductive system actually is. There's probably quite a lot of women who have never touched themselves 'down there', never used a tampon, much less looked at themselves with a mirror. I'm sure there are plenty of men who aren't too aware of their own anatomy either.
It doesn't mean it's not there though, or it can just be ignored. Honestly, it seems as if there is a new generation of ignoramouses who know nothing about basic biology and science. I actually read one article about transgenderism which started off by saying those 'little things,called chromosomes' aren't important. I stopped reading at that point, to avoid having to switch off 99% of my brain cells.
*wombofonesown' that gender_critical subreddit is great.

honestly, it seems as if there is a new generation of ignoramouses who know nothing about basic biology and science.

^^this this this ^^^

I don't geddit
Its as if they are all phenomenally thick

shortcut and a lot of them seem to be at university, so supposedly the most intelligent. That's the really scary thing.
Though I have noticed from various sources that a lot of people don't really seem to believe it deep down. They just go along with it, either to be nice and polite, or just to fit in with their friends.

Not only that effing, but laws are being made in line with this thinking. It beggars belief

Came across this from the reddit page, regarding autogynophelia

link is nsfw.

carpenter OMG - they think it's normal?!

I mean, it's plain for all to see - this is a fetish. We are legally changing the definition of "woman" with all the issues that brings so that a subset of men can dress up in a parody of womanhood and wank off to how sexy they look.