Can we have a general Trans thread?

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Sorry for another trans thread and I feel this is a bit of an imposition given I don't post really.

Anyway reading FWR over the past few months has re-radicalised me. I've been reading lots here and wider.

Anyway just now been watching TV and there's been some stuff that's given me the rage but didn't seem to fit in existing threads or it's own thread.

Anyway thing that gave me the rage.
On BBC3 program on transgemder teen's the doctor just said "creating a vagina". Are doctors redefining vagina as pocket rather than a passage? Makes me want to screem.

Also Sarah Ditum being no platformed.

Breastfeeding is sooo much more special and amazing when men do it

That's the problem with laws around gender being allowed to erase a person's sex.
Breastfeeding is a thing that adult female humans do. If you are an adult human female who prefers to live as a man you can avoid being categorised as a woman by not breastfeeding. If you choose to breastfeed then you are doing something that is done by adult females who are generally categorised as women. I don't accept the logic of calling these people breastfeeding men. Man is a social category, as gender is a social construct, and in the construction of man, breastfeeding is not a thing that they do. So if you do something so at odds with the social category you have chosen you must accept that you will be referred to by terminology that doesn't match what you prefer. In my opinion.

That article is just a mess.

Difficulties "chest-feeding"? What the hell? Why on earth would it come as a surprise that if you've had your boobs cut off, you're going to struggle to breast feed? You must surely, surely, SURELY have thought of that before you did it. But no, rather than say "well, those are the breaks, kid. You pays your money, you makes your choices", in our brave new world we all have to turn ourselves inside out to protect someone from the entirely foreseeable consequences of their own freely chosen actions.

Yep, women know your place - under the bus, again.

I'm pleasantly surprised by the responses on the analytical armadillo page. A fair few 'liberal' right on-lets centre trans in all discussions type responses, but a few measured sensible ones too.

where is it on the analytical armadillo because I can't seem to find the entry that recognises it?

also, wtaf? are we going have to change all words associated with women now, cis-nursers maybe ?

They've shared it on their Facebook page ISay:

www.facebook.com/theanalyticalarmadillo

Thanks. Found it.

Breastfeeding is sooo much more special and amazing when men do it

Oh, it is. It is very rare, and the men who can do it should have themselves checked for breast tumours. Men only lactate under very strange circumstances. Starvation is one, tumours in the milk ducts is another. It can also be a side-effect of medication.

Another reason why listening to the transpropaganda is a stupid idea. It removes all language for medical issues and produces unnecessary work.

Will someone please think of the poor gynecologists who only after uselessly prodding and squeezing the silicone tits of trans realize that the person in front of them is not a woman, and is only there for fun and genderfeelz validation.

And as all women over a certain age are entitled to mammography, and there is no law excluding people who don't have natural breasts, the trans can take up time and space there, too, wasting money that could have gone towards real cancer prevention for real women.

It's ridiculous.

Is someone really invoking Dworkin to support transwomen = women/transmen = men (even when they are pregnant and breastfeeding) too?

Oh and randomly, raised this on another thread and no response... but do you think it's easier to get a boob job on the NHS as a man than as a woman?

I've been wondering about this actually. Also I'm curious about how much help is given to women who grow unwanted facial hair due to medical conditions compared to that given to trans women. Do you know the answer?

I've just had a peek at That Doula Guy, where AA shared the link from. And I'm done with the Internet for the day.

I believe that transwomen get free laser treatment for facial hair whereas women do not.

Bit late to this but has anyone read this article and if so what do you think? It seems to me that the government has swallowed trans-speak whole.

stephaniedaviesarai.com/cwc/culture/new-government-guidelines-jeopardise-the-safety-of-women-and-girls/

I believe that transwomen get free laser treatment for facial hair whereas women do not.

If I identify as male, get all my data changed, etc, and then apply for free laser treatment (as my passport says I'm male) ... would that be possible? All the data from before the gender change are erased, right?

If so, someone please do it and write an article about how she had to transition to male to get free laser treatment? It would be quite hilarious.

By the way, any of you UK citizens planning to transition to male? As a wannabe author, I sometimes wonder if my manuscripts would be taken more seriously if I used a male name ...

I think there has been a failed employment case, where a woman was trying to claim discrimination about breastfeeding and was told that men breastfeed too so no gender discrimination took place. US
I read it on Mumsnet but can't find it to reference.

I think there has been a failed employment case, where a woman was trying to claim discrimination about breastfeeding and was told that men breastfeed too so no gender discrimination took place.

This is the end goal of the "cis"men who support genderism. And probably the autogynephiles, too. That's why they like genderism.

No gender discrimination took place, that's correct. It was sex based discrimination.Isn't there a law on discrimination based on sex?

Vestal I'm idly considering claiming to be a man so I can get a proper smart haircut for £6 at the local barbers. What I want is well within their normal range but they won't cut women's hair.

All over the news today - 'woman who used fake penis on girlfriend given suspended sentence.' Except she identifies and lives as a man, not a woman.

How is it that Tara Hudson - person with penis - is given the dignity of their preferred pronoun and described as a woman, but Kyran Lee is described as a 'woman pretending to be a man'? By that logic, Tara should have been described as a 'man pretending to be a woman.' And we all know how that would have ended up.

My first thought on this is that it proves that trans politics is yet another bastion of male privilege - a man's choice to live as a woman must be dignified by the media, accepted and praised while a woman's choice to live as a man can't be accepted, because it would mean she was acquiring male privilege.

@Plenty: Do it.

while a woman's choice to live as a man can't be accepted, because it would mean she was acquiring male privilege.

Exactly. They don't want to hand out male privilege to everyone who wants it - after all, they might end up with no subservient class women at all.

the right to gender identity recognition cancels out the right to safety for women as a sex-based protected group

Boom!

that is from Mercurys link

Their damaging statements included:
Human beings, like the majority of other mammals, are sexually dimorphic. i.e. there are two distinct biological sexes, female and male, with each having particular primary and secondary sex characteristics that allow us to make a distinction between the two. Sex is natural, biologically and objectively factual

This is from the AA article, it is a criticism of the American Midwife Association

I just do not understand how these people are taken seriously???

It makes me want to kick things

I am really frightened actually, that they are taken seriously

Exactly, Imust. The lie at the heart of it is that trans in some way undermines or defeats binary gender roles, when actually the whole thing reinforces the hierarchy of gender norms.

I'm not defending Kyran Lee's actions, they're indefensible, but comparing the reporting of that case with Tara Hudson is quite an eye-opener. Lee is referred to as she (sometimes he, no consistency) and there's a sort of disbelieving/disparaging tone to the reporting. They are referred to as a woman in most of the headlines (though the independent manages to refer to them as a transgender man), and repeatedly referred to as "pretending" to be a man. Their birth name features as prominently as their preferred name.

Whereas Hudson was always, unquestionably, a woman. Despite the penis. And the violence.

So where is the outrage at the dead-naming, the misgendering, the erasure of this trans man?

Nope, nothing to see here, it's business as usual - even if you want to leave your gender behind, you still get to keep your position in the hierarchy.

The Sun charmingly describes Kyran as a "lesbian posing as a man"

I don't think I've ever seen a transwoman described as "a gay pretending to be a woman" in mainstream media.

I have a lot of concerns about transactivism but now I'm quite angry on Kyran's behalf! Even The Guardian, which i thought was the most 'right-on' paper, calls Kyran a woman.