Can we have a general Trans thread?

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Sorry for another trans thread and I feel this is a bit of an imposition given I don't post really.

Anyway reading FWR over the past few months has re-radicalised me. I've been reading lots here and wider.

Anyway just now been watching TV and there's been some stuff that's given me the rage but didn't seem to fit in existing threads or it's own thread.

Anyway thing that gave me the rage.
On BBC3 program on transgemder teen's the doctor just said "creating a vagina". Are doctors redefining vagina as pocket rather than a passage? Makes me want to screem.

Also Sarah Ditum being no platformed.

Someone made the point on a related post that to start it, WE need to start using LGB rather than LGBT.

Or LGBTQIA, as everyday feminism tells me it should be...

(Last post now, i promise )

As someone who is only 'out' about her concerns about trans activism on MN, my friends are right thinking liberal lefties on the whole. My newsfeed was full of the Tara Hidson petition for example.

I think there is s lot of not wanting to be bigoted and being up to date with the latest politically correct ideas. I'm not quite sure how this stuff has muscled it's way into mainstream narrative so successfully ( and it has been successful - that reporting of 'the latest trans death in prison' reporting has frightened me) but I do sense a tiny bit of questioning creeping in which wasn't there a year ago.

I wish I could speak up - I feel like a completely mealy mouthed coward for not expressing my concerns but I am honestly scared of being ostracised at best and doxxed at worst.

I know quite a few TW and they are (with one exception) very nice. Very unhappy but very nice. I agree with whoever said that it's a bit hard of thinking to put them in the sand box as some of the people hitting the media of late.

Sorry that doesn't make much grammatical sense. I'm hopeless at typing on my phone

It doesn't make a lot of sense anyway as T is gender identity whereas LGB are sexualities.

As some T people are attracted to those born with similar bodies and some to those born with the opposite bodies, I suppose there is a mix of gay and straight T people. No idea which, if either, is more prevalent. Kellie Maloney wants to date men and I think self-refers as straight.

Sorry, that didn't make much sense.

As a lesbian I cringe every time I see a reference to LGBTetc nowadays.

Forget the WEP though. They're just getting more and more pro-trans. Although there is a certain amount of backlash building on their FB page.

Right thinking liberal lefties are a mainstream narrative though Lynda

Its a bit thick though huh, to not think deeper than what you are presented with?

Surely, 99% of adults have learnt that lesson

I don't post anything about trans theory/genderism on Facebook. I joined that group under my secret Facebook alter ego. I have plenty of facof book friends too who 'like' and share things that would suggest they are part of the libfem trans ally movement.
I hate this, I'm not transphobic, I respect everyone until they give me a reason not to, I wish trans people no harm at all due to their gender identity. I just don't share the belief in genderism and wish there was a way to debate it openly.

It's similar to the thinking surrounding Islam, IMO. One can't possibly criticise Islam, because that would lead to accusations of Islamaphobia and no one wants that. Therefore we must overlook any misogynistic or homophobic elements of the religion.

I think it's heartening that many people do appear to be reaching "peak trans" because the patent absurdity of much trans activism is a hard circle to square unless you completely abandon critical thinking. For instance, only a monumentally dim person would look at that Stefonknee case and not see something deeply disturbing and think that man's right to "identify" as a six year old girl and have other people treat him as such and validate his sexual fetish are something to be protected. Young liberal feminist trans allies appear to find it easy to disengage their brain cells but I suspect even they will have their tipping point.

Thing is effing, i have zero interest in TG issues. It bores me tbh. I don't want to criticise TG people. I am only interested in protecting women's spaces from biological men, people of male sex...regardless of how they dress or feel inside. I don't care how they dress or feel inside. That seems to be an unacceptable stance

I don't understand the stefonknee business. Surely regular trans people are as disgusted as anyone else? I wouldn't want him representing me in the media if I were them.
There is also the clear challenge to the cult of self identification - if it's fine for him to identify as a 6 year old girl who enjoys anal sex it must be fine for his sexual partners to identify as people who like anally penetrating 6 year old children? And if not, why not?

I think it's about the hierarchy of oppression Shortcut. Somehow TW (and not TM - they barely even get a look in) have positioned themselves as the most oppressed and persecuted people in the world. And so people don't dare engage their critical thinking because they don't want to give headspace to bigoted thoughts so they shut it down in their heads.

It doesn't help that no one dares speak out because of the 'burn the witch!' shrieking that results whenever anyone dares to question it. Funnily enough, that seems to be largely led by men

And Stefoknee is creepy as :(

"It's similar to the thinking surrounding Islam, IMO. One can't possibly criticise Islam, because that would lead to accusations of Islamaphobia and no one wants that. Therefore we must overlook any misogynistic or homophobic elements of the religion."

Personally I think it's not unique to any particular group. If you are critical of a group who are seen as oppressed or a minority you run the risk of being called a phobe or ist.

In fact you don't have to critical but just not openly support things.

slugs not everyone will criticise Islam. Someone on another thread compared this situation to tge one in Rotherham (grooming/sexual exploitation cases) where one group was held above criticism.
Transrights are being questioned in America. See Houston where the equal rights bill for GLBT people was defeated at reforendum, on the grounds of transwomens access to women's bathrooms and lockerrooms.

obsidian I think the whole stephonknee thing shows how ridiculously blinkered trans activists are - I can think of few things that would damage their cause more. If I were trans I would be yelling that he's a pervert and nothing to do with being trans, but they seem to be celebrating him?!

Peak trans anyone?

imgur.com/fAenS9a

Wow. The fuck.

How the fuck is that man a 'mom'? Talk about fucking cultural appropriation and gender determinism. What, because he makes packed lunches and reads stories he can't be a dad, he must be a mum? Fuck that noise.

I just want to shout NOBODY FUCKING CARES!!! at them

What fucking relevance does all that shite have to do with house hunting?! Tedious pillocks

As someone who would once have said if asked that 'transwomen are women', I didn't really believe it deep down. I suspect this is the case for a lot of (most?) people. I remember Liz Jones being roundly slagged off a while ago for writing an article where she objected to the term cis and I agreed with her but censored myself because it was Liz Jones and all these lovely right-thinking lefty men people were saying she was wrong. Let's just say I've come a long way since then.
It was when I stumbled upon the MN feminism boards that I first saw another side of it being discussed and I began to really think about the issue and the implications it had for women. Funnily enough it was hearing TERF for the first time that kind of pissed me off and led me to where I am now - well past peak trans (it would have been hearing about 'packers' for little girls that did it except I think I was already there).

This is the sprog:

'
Kids are so cool. At the playground, my special one corrected the other kids:
"Not a boy.My name is Olivia, and I'm a girl."
To which they were like
"OK whatevs. Want to go down the slide, Olivia?"
Olivia/Arlo/Thor/Maven has been gender fluid the past few months (we were using exclusively she/her pronouns for around 4 months), and I think that's cool, especially as a gender fluid parent. Things change a lot, but I know how good it feels to express yourself and have it accepted and embraced.
'

I still don't know what that family identify as, too early. The four year old is identifying too?