Germaine Greer

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i never post here but I'm watching Germaine Greer on newsnight
Crazy, the woman is not allowed to discuss feminist issues without being forced to discuss transgender issues
Disclaimer- I really like GG
Am I reading this correctly? Why does she have to fight for a different groups issues

I can't quite believe what I'm reading, "they need help to come to terms with what body they have", didn't they used to try that with someone that was gay, well they still do. Unbelievable. I think you need to educate yourself in the matter them maybe you'd have some empathy and understanding.

I haven't read the full thread, but Stavvers is the internet equivalent of Foul Ole Ron, just replace everything she says with 'Millennium Hand and Shrimp'. It makes as much sense, but is less aggravating.

Ubik, that Nick Cohen article appears to be from 7th Feb 2015-
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/07/censorship-campus-no-way-fight-fanatics

vulcan if you think there are female and male brains, you could use some education.

There is no similarity with gay conversion therapy. That is irrelevant and appropriative.

That is a total top tip Saskia!

Buggrit!

If I linked a study you'd just poo poo it, there's been lots of studies that prove it, if you want to deny that then fair enough. What's the problem with having differences and a variety anyway.
Would you deny your child.

I would definitely deny my child puberty blockers and genital mutilation!!
I would tell my child it is not possible to change sex, but they can wear whatever they want, play with any toys they wish to, behave in ways that are stereotypically male or female as they prefer, and I would support them. I think it's dishonest and wrong to let children believe they can become the opposite sex, and consign them to a life of taking artificial hormones.

There is no study showing that a scientist can look at a brain without seeing the rest of the body and say that it is a female brain.

Scientists can look at a person's external body and know their sex with over 99% accuracy.

Would you deny your child.

Absolutely yes. I would not allow puberty blockers or surgery, and since I have a daughter, I would also forbid toddler stuffers. Certainly I would encourage them to express themselves as they are, do what they want to do and hopefully come to terms with the issues troubling them.

I'll have to agree to disagree on the brain studies.
You've no idea of the pain of denial, that's where empathy comes in.

Not interested in the studies (have seen them, they don't support your argument). I'm also interested in how you think male and female brains are different, Vulcan.

Ah right..... so unless we agree that there's an actual thing like lady brain, then we're not empathetic?

Bollocks.

Female brain = kittens, knitting, pink, babies

Male brain = not seeing mess, high paid jobs, cars, blue

I'm going to leave it there, I'm not biting.

You've no idea of the pain of denial, that's where empathy comes in.

Lots of people are in pain and some of them are in pain because other people do not validate their beliefs about themselves. is it empathic to agree an anorexic is fat or give them liposuction?

No Flora, it's called colluding with their delusions and is really unhealthy for them.

'I'm not biting' = 'I have no answer', perhaps?

"I'm going to leave it there, I'm not biting."

I don't think it's you who wasn't biting. But, cheerio :)

Sorry if someone's already posted it, but please sign the counter-petition www.change.org/p/cardiff-university-counterpetitioning-cardiff-university-s-hosting-of-germaine-greer?recruiter=71972920&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_facebook_responsive&utm_term=des-lg-share_petition-no_msg&fb_ref=Default to allow her to speak in Cardiff.