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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Domestic Violence - Far from gender neutral

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scallopsrgreat · 11/06/2015 16:57

Domestic abuse could not be further from gender neutral. Wake up Britain

Yep so those MRAs are gaslighting us. Just in case you had any doubt.

I've just skim read it and it doesn't seem to link to the research which I'd be interested to read.

"This is due to a 'cap' on the number of crimes recorded, which stops counting after five repeat incidents against one victim. When this cap is removed, she said, violence against women by intimate partners rises by 70 per cent and violence against women by acquaintances by 100 per cent. It particularly affects those women who know, or even live with, the perpetrator. " Pretty shocking.

"...the Crime Survey of England and Wales (CSEW) doesn't account for a significant proportion of attacks on women (and that nearly half of all violent crime is committed against women)."

It also links to another article about the same thing: Million violent crimes a year 'cut out' of official figures

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RufusTheReindeer · 18/06/2015 21:59

Just read an article in the DM (sorry)

Canadian transgender YouTube star has released a video about domestic violence

The stats quoted are one in four women and two in five men, I thought it was interesting that a quote says domestic violence affects "men, women, transgender and children" in that order

YonicScrewdriver · 18/06/2015 22:44

It predates the abortion act, mink

minkGrundy · 19/06/2015 08:03

Yes I read up about it (brought into law to prevent killings at birth). However, it looks like convictions are pretty rare (time of gestation and the need for clear intent to kill the child) which is why we rarely hear about it but this case looks so clear cut surely it will stick.

rufus in that order. Depressing but that is the order that list is normally said men and women and children, never women and men. (Although it is ladies and gentlemen).

But surely in this case it should be in the order it happens which is probably women, children, trans, men.

YonicScrewdriver · 19/06/2015 08:17

It's quite possible men suffer partner violence (from male or female) partners at similar or higher rates to trans, particularly if the discussion is around absolute numbers not proportional rates.

minkGrundy · 19/06/2015 09:00

I would have suspected that the rates for trans might actually be on a par with the rates for women, proportionally, because of the correlation between (perceived) social standing (thats maybe not the word i mean)and dv but will readily admit that is instinct not fact. Absolute numbers, I'd suspect the numbers for men would be higher.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 19/06/2015 09:05

Is there any info on perpetual of domestic violin (rather than victims). The line that men are as likely to be victims (though not true) is often conflated with women being the violent partner. But I often wonder what the rates of domestic violence in same sex relationships between men are? So when men are the victims, what is the split between male and female aggressor?

YonicScrewdriver · 19/06/2015 09:14

TBH mink I suspect the biggest determining factor is whether the trans man or transwoman is in a relationship with a man or woman (or trans man or trans woman). I do not know the proportions.

AKA - look at the perp not the victim.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 19/06/2015 09:21

Just noticed all the typos. Sorry.

minkGrundy · 19/06/2015 09:50

ypnic yy I thought that as soon as I posted. hoppy there was some info upthread. There is also some in Lundy Bancroft.

I think the order goes male on female dv, male on male dv, female on male dv, female on female dv. (Absolute not proportional).

Further skewed by the fact that despite undoubted verifiable cases of female on male dv, a lot of which like m on f dv goes unreported there is also a high degree of 'false' reporting of f on m dv in rs where the man is in fact the aggressor.
That is, there is the f on m dv which actually occurs and then there is the f on m dv which is reported. The two are not the same thing. And it isn't that the reported acts are the tip of an iceberg as in reporting of sexual.violence, it is more complicated than that. False reports of f on m dv can be a part of m on f dv. Which of course makes life much harder for the genuine victims of dv of both genders

Heckler · 19/06/2015 17:50

waves at Puffins

Here is a link to the research briefing (pdf)

eprints.lancs.ac.uk/72272/4/Violence_Society_Research_briefing_1.pdf

PuffinsAreFictitious · 19/06/2015 23:13

waves back.

One of the most shocking things to me has been that the incidence of intergenerational violence perpetrated by men has risen. It seems that sons and grandsons are killing their female relatives, often after years of abuse, in greater numbers.

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