Domestic Violence - Far from gender neutral

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Domestic abuse could not be further from gender neutral. Wake up Britain

Yep so those MRAs are gaslighting us. Just in case you had any doubt.

I've just skim read it and it doesn't seem to link to the research which I'd be interested to read.

"This is due to a 'cap' on the number of crimes recorded, which stops counting after five repeat incidents against one victim. When this cap is removed, she said, violence against women by intimate partners rises by 70 per cent and violence against women by acquaintances by 100 per cent. It particularly affects those women who know, or even live with, the perpetrator. " Pretty shocking.

"...the Crime Survey of England and Wales (CSEW) doesn't account for a significant proportion of attacks on women (and that nearly half of all violent crime is committed against women)."

It also links to another article about the same thing: Million violent crimes a year 'cut out' of official figures

It said nearly half of all violent crime is committed against women. Not nearly half of all domestic violence. Violent crime includes, but is not limited to, gang shootings, pub scuffles, assassinations, stabbing of teenagers for being black at the wrong bus stop, and beating of passing tradesmen over the head with police batons (on the rare occasions the last two are acknowledged to be a crime).

Debunking post is debunked. Violence does not only take place in the home. I'm sorry if this comes as a shock to you.

Yy Dream!

eevonia the reason why state statement is surprising is that it has long been perceived that men are far more likely to be the victim of violent crime. (All violent crime). And if you removed DV from the equation that would be true.

Outside of the home men are statistically in far greater danger of violence than women. Inside the home the opposite is true.

yy Dream. Even the article that Dadwashere linked to acknowledges that nearly twice as many women as men are raped per year in the US. And sexual violence is overwhelmingly perpetrated by men (something like 98% of perpetrators are male).

This interesting comment was hidden in that article too: "A recent meta-analysis found that a woman’s perpetration of violence was the strongest predictor of her being a victim of partner violence." They seem to gloss over this in the rest of the study.

Can I just say that there have been a number of studies that completely contradict that article Dadwashere linked to. Especially with regards men being less likely to report and report for lesser violence. e.g. Hester (2009). And I think Yonic's post at Wed 17-Jun-15 00:09:09 really highlights important omissions in the study when looking at DV. In fact I am amazed that those types of violence could be omitted from a study such as this .

And thanks to vesuvia for highlighting this: "I'm amazed that even the (now incorrect) figures of 60% female victims and 40% male victims that have influenced government and support agency attitudes to domestic violence in recent years, were ever seen as gender-neutral. In other words, even when the proportion of female victims was believed to be "only" 50% higher than male victims, domestic violence has still come to be seen as gender-neutral."

A young woman in Peckham who was 32 weeks pregnant was violently attacked. Two assailants stamped on her bump. The baby didn't survive, pregnancy is often a trigger for dv or already existing dv intensifies. If bothers me immensely that people make false equivalencies between male dv and female dv.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/17/woman-critical-condition-losing-unborn-child-stamping-attack

That incident made me feel sick Xxed. Do they know if the perps had anything to do with the foetus?

By that I mean, were they related... sorry

A 20 yr old man has been arrested, I live v v close and its being said that the purpose of the attack was to kill the baby.

Christ on a bike... that poor woman, I hope she pulls through, I read she was in a critical condition. It's come to something when a 20 yr old man allegedly thinks that the way to get rid of a baby he's not interested in, is to beat the shit out the mother.

And if it turns out that this is wholly incorrect, I'll come back and apologise.

I don't think we will be getting an apology from youpuffins... Sadly

Innocent it is almost certain the purpose of the attack was go kill the baby. The ambulance didn't arrive after an hour so the police took the victim to the hospital.

Oh's that's such a horrendous and sad case. I was going to bring it up here. It really is an example of a woman being attacked because of her biology. I am sure she doesn't think or want to be 'an example' though. She's going through hell .

And the ambulance not arriving .

"If bothers me immensely that people make false equivalencies between male dv and female dv." Yy.

The other thing is - it isn't a one-off is it? Maybe the severity of it is shocking in this particular case. But women do lose babies because of partner abuse. As XXed said DV increases when women are pregnant. It is at one end of a scale of abuse.

I also suspect that if this had happened in the home it wouldn't have even been reported.

Domestic Abuse is a leading cause of pregnancy loss and miscarriage (according to Womensaid), so it isn't just a one off. It's so incredibly awful, I don't really know what to say, that poor woman.

On a side note, a lot of the reporting I have seen this morning has been on the lines of; 'unborn baby murdered, crime against a baby, how cruel to hurt a baby like that'. With less emphasis on this as a crime against a woman, an attack on her body. But then, men attacking women isn't news?

If she hadn't have been pregnant it would probably not have even made it into the local newspaper.

ifyourehoppy the courts will view it as an attack against the woman. They will take into account the pregnancy but will convict (hopefully) based on the injury to the woman.

It really, really is shocking though that anyone could have such an attitude of ownership and entitlement over another person that they could even contemplate such a thing.

Horrible though it is, I suspect there will be a perceived 'fidelity' aspect to this. That is the perpetrators will have 'justified' this to themselves as deserved because either they think she had an OM or that she is the OW. I would emphasise that nothing but nothing justifies it. I just reckon that will be their warped thinking that this is a punishment.

I am so pissed off that I was correct about this.

As a good friend said, why can I see that this is part of a pattern, and yet the police can't?

Many abusive men still think they own their exes. I wasn't suggesting she had been unfaithful just that that was probably be part of the twisted perception.

But yes he has been separately charged with a crime against the woman (i think gbh but not sure). But I stand corrected I didn't know the charge of child destruction existed (is that recent?) It thought it used to be, up until the child was born, it had no rights in law to be considered as separate from the mother so any harm was considered to be against her (I am convinced there were previous cases where this was the case) but I stand corrected.

Assuming of course, it was her ex, I don't see this hoing at all well for him. Surely there cannit be many people eho will be anything other than totally disgusted with him. There is a line that most people won't cross.

I think I can see what you mean mink - the baby will be seen as an innocent (rightly) but there will be those who will do their best to find a reason to blame the woman (she's a young mother, apparently single and black - all blameworthy things for some arseholes) and it's fucking appalling. This is just such a sickening thing for a man to do to a woman.