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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

DP wants to go on new DC's BC

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Jackieharris · 18/05/2015 14:03

He has just raised this out of the blue.

He isn't on our eldest DC's bc. That's never caused a problem. Now he's saying he wants that changed too.

I know this is 'normal practice' (hence posting on fwr not aibu/chat/parenting/relationships) but it's made me really anxious.

It came so out of the blue, I didn't have much of a response prepared. I said it hadn't caused any problems so why change. I said I didn't want to give up my exclusive rights. He said why and I gave the hypothetical scenario of him running off with a younger woman then being able to restrict where I live etc after a split.

He knew about my stance on this before we had dc1. He knows I had a very bad relationship experience before him (life threatening violence, stalking and breaking into new house after break up type stuff) so I just won't ever feel 100% safe with any man ever and need to have the security that I could escape if that happened again. From my PoV if he was on bc he could potentially use this power to continue to abuse me even if I left. (So many threads like that on relationships board and I know some irl examples too)

As long as he was never violent I'd always let him have fair access to dcs so I said to him why does he want it unless he doesn't trust me?

I'm now going to be constantly worried he'll bring it up again. Maybe he won't. I'll not mention it if he doesn't.

OP posts:
Blistory · 19/05/2015 18:17

Good for you. I'm pleased, genuinely pleased, that you've experienced a truly equal relationship. And I don't doubt that that is true of your experience.

But I'm not talking about your individual experience or mine. It's about the collective and what women as a group are likely to experience.

almondcakes · 19/05/2015 18:26

I think heteronormativity is declining anyway. Over 15% of pregnant women don't live with a partner, and about a quarter of families are headed by single mothers. Most women in the UK are not married and one in five will never have children.

That is a huge move away from heteronormativity, even just within my lifetime.

And it has to be shaped by society. That society would go in that direction would have been unthinkable not that long ago.

6.5% of mothers are the sole parent on the birth certificate, and of course some children have two mothers registered as the parents on the birth certificate. That would have seemed unthinkable even twenty years ago, under section 28.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 19/05/2015 18:54

and i think that the reason people have been compelled to comment on this thread more than others on the board is that it's something more people are able to relate to for once.

I think this is interesting & accurate. Normally the threads on here descend into some pseudo intellectual third dimension that seems almost designed to discourage "newbies".

In this case people feel able, and qualified, to comment.

Back to the OP - so what would happen now if her partner went to court to get the names put on? I assume he could do that if he felt strongly enough about it?

Or should he just say "yes dear", put his feeling and desires back in the box and get on with it?

And as for "They know he's their father" - do they? What about when they look at their birth certificates & say "Mummy, why isn't Daddy on here, is he really my Dad?"

I think the OP needs to stop making it about herself and think a bit further down the line...

Reginafalangie · 19/05/2015 19:46

I think this is interesting & accurate. Normally the threads on here descend into some pseudo intellectual third dimension that seems almost designed to discourage "newbies"

Yes.

GatoradeMeBitch · 19/05/2015 19:54

"They know he's their father" - do they? What about when they look at their birth certificates & say "Mummy, why isn't Daddy on here, is he really my Dad?"

Well then she'd say, yes he is. Not difficult. I had the shock of seeing an entirely unexpected name in the fathers space on my birth cert and I got over it. Children are resilient. No-one is going to be traumatized that their father isn't on their birth cert. My son's Dad isn't on his because he had to work out of the country when it was time to register him, and we just never got round to it. If DS falls apart over that, then we haven't done a very good job raising him!

shaska · 19/05/2015 19:58

What's the difference between intellectual and pseudo intellectual?

Or is it what I imagine it is?

GatoradeMeBitch · 19/05/2015 20:00

OP - I have the utmost sympathy for your situation, I really do. You've obviously been through a lot. But stopping your DP from being on the birth certificates could only ever delay the scenarios you are worried about, it wouldn't prevent them. He could apply for parental responsibility at any time. I understand your feelings of vulnerability and wanting to protect yourself, but I would let this issue go. Sometimes people fight so hard over one thing because they are worried about a split one day, that the fight ends up contributing to the split!

Presumably you love your DP to have had dc's with him. Try to trust him. Have you had counselling for the trauma you've been through?

CatsCantTwerk · 19/05/2015 20:10

Thank you IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou for this comment.

And as for "They know he's their father" - do they? What about when they look at their birth certificates & say "Mummy, why isn't Daddy on here, is he really my Dad?"

I have been trying to type out a reply to this thread all day but haven't quite got it right so kept deleting, You have just opened up a door for me to say now what I want to say.

When I was a child I was sexually abused by my Dad, It went on for years and years and I never had the courage to tell anyone about what was going on, After all he was My Dad right? Who would believe a father could do such a thing to his Daughter?

When I was 12 I was looking through old photographs in my mums bedroom when no one was in, I guess you could call it snooping, once I got to the bottom of the box I found an envelope with paperwork inside so I opened it up to have a look. In the envelope was a birth certificate and a deed poll certificate, It was my birth certificate and the deed poll certificate was also mine.

On the deed poll certificate it was changing my name from 'smith' to 'thomson' I had ALWAYS been known as 'thomson' for as long as I could remember It was my Dad's name, my siblings name my family name!

I read on and it went on to say that they were applying for my name to be changed to 'thomson' as my half brothers were known by that name and I should be known by the same name as my half brothers and my mother and step-dad. This floored me completely. The next thing I looked at was my birth certificate and there it was in black and white Father- Mr Smith.

For years I lived with my abuser believing he was my Dad so there was nothing I could do about it. Once I found out that this man, this rapist was not my dad and I actually had a real dad it was the most horrendous thing I suffered, It hurt more than the actual abuse itself.

What I am trying to say is EVERY child deserves the truth, They deserve and have the right to know who their parents are.

I haven't spoken or seen my mum in years but because of that birth certificate I was able to track down my real Dad, He opened his arms and his new family welcomed me as their own, I was made to feel like I was wanted and loved in a proper NORMAL family environment, I haven't seen or spoken to my mum for years but she is still with her husband, my abuser. As for my real Dad, We were close, really close until last september when he passed away.

Op, If You are still reading this, please reconsider putting your dh on the birth certificates, You never know what is around the corner but one day your children will look at their bc and will ask questions. This is not about you or how you are feeling, It isn't even about your dh really, It is about your children and what is best for them.

Reginafalangie · 19/05/2015 20:14

Cats what an amazing post. Thank you for sharing it and giving a different perspective on this. Cake Wine Flowers

Reginafalangie · 19/05/2015 20:18

Or is it what I imagine it is?

If you imagine it to be:

One who attempts to flex intellect that does not exist within his or her own mind.

  1. Can probably be found with a thesaurus in hand, while in a chat room, looking up new insults that are synonymous with "stupid" in order to boost his or her own undeserved ego.
  1. Typical cases of pseudo-intellectualism involve pre-pubescent 15 year olds that think they have everything figured out, including, but not limited to: life, religion, politics, education, and sex. Ironically, they have never quite experienced either of the aforementioned.
  1. Pretends he or she has an opinion.
  1. Possesses a severe tendency to blindly and wholeheartedly believe any bullshit they hear, only to subsequently regurgitate the misinformation to anyone they see in an asinine attempt to appear more intelligent than a used, broken condom.
  1. Should the victim of the verbal onslaught happen to have a differing opinion, the pseudo-intellectual will revert to his or her thesaurus and insult the opposition with words he or she never knew existed, and probably cannot even pronounce. Out did this to me in the early hours of the morning when I could barely string a sentance together ha ha ha Grin
  1. Annoyingly and constantly refers to the word antidisestablishmentarianism, as if knowledge of said word defined his or her illegitimately high intelligence quotient.
  1. Typically a hypocrite; creates many, many contradictions. Most online grammar/spelling Nazis can relate.

Then yes.

scallopsrgreat · 19/05/2015 20:18

"So does that mean all true feminists remain single/with the same sex/childless or use ivf?" Confused

Again Regina, you are just making things up about what I'm saying. I'm not telling anyone how to be a 'true feminist' and I really don't understand why you think I am. I was answering MrBloom's question with ways in which there is expectation for women to be with men or how that expectation is applied. As Blistory says, once you step outside the 'norms' and the expectation is there. But as almondcakes says those barriers are breaking down in the UK. Not so much in other countries, though.

I agree to a certain extent floggingmolly, there is certainly less harm if you stick to the social norms.

Reginafalangie · 19/05/2015 20:21

I was asking a question hence the ? I wasn't making anything up that is exactly how I read your post.

IKnowIAmButWhatAreYou · 19/05/2015 20:23

I had the shock of seeing an entirely unexpected name in the fathers space on my birth cert and I got over it. Children are resilient.

And adults more so.

See Cats post upthread, you'll get what I was trying to say....

OutsSelf · 19/05/2015 20:28

Again, Regina with the insults. Exactly what are you trying to achieve by saying I'm a psudeo intellectual? And why so rude?

scallopsrgreat · 19/05/2015 20:29

Why would you read my post in that way? I wasn't telling women how to behave. Nothing about my posts suggest that.

scallopsrgreat · 19/05/2015 20:33

"What I am trying to say is EVERY child deserves the truth, They deserve and have the right to know who their parents are." But there is nothing in the OP's posts to suggest that isn't the case here.

And I am so sorry for what happened to you, Cats. That is just awful Flowers.

Reginafalangie · 19/05/2015 20:33

It wasn't an insult!!!

The question was asked so I googled it and that is what came up.

And to be fair if you look back through your posts from the early hours you used every obscure word going some of which I did have to look up. They looked out of place with what you were saying so yeah I very much think number 6 applied to you. Not rude.....just an observation.

Reginafalangie · 19/05/2015 20:36

Why would you read my post in that way? I wasn't telling women how to behave. Nothing about my posts suggest that.

I have no idea. Maybe I am thick? Maybe I am not a feminist? Maybe I don't understand feminism? Maybe I am not as intelligent as you?

It seem I have read most of your posts wrongly. I can't help that maybe I just see things differently to you Confused

shaska · 19/05/2015 20:37

Well I don't know that you really needed to google more insults to answer my question about whether your intention was to be insulting.

A simple admission would've done nicely.

scallopsrgreat · 19/05/2015 20:38

Point out where I am saying anything about what makes a 'true feminist', Regina.

Reginafalangie · 19/05/2015 20:39

Nope I googled what is a what is a pseudo intellectual. I didn't google insults. Try it yourself that list is the first thing that comes up. Plus I wasn't the poster that said it Grin

OutsSelf · 19/05/2015 20:43

Comparing someone to that list is insulting. And 'every obscure word going' wtaf are you talking about?

Reginafalangie · 19/05/2015 20:44

Point out where I am saying anything about what makes a 'true feminist', Regina

Reginafalangie Mon 18-May-15 21:36:17
Really hmm do you think a true feminist should never love a man or live with him or god forbid have children with him? What a ridiculous close minded thing to say.

scallopsrgreat Mon 18-May-15 23:07:04
Yes.

scallopsrgreat Mon 18-May-15 23:17:07
I was responding to your comment about how true feminists should behave. I never said anything about how women should behave. I was commenting on how society expected women to behave.

There ya go.

Reginafalangie · 19/05/2015 20:46

I only compared you to number 3 Out. Not the whole list.

Coyoacan · 19/05/2015 20:46

And as for "They know he's their father" - do they? What about when they look at their birth certificates & say "Mummy, why isn't Daddy on here, is he really my Dad?

That is frankly silly

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