Are there any forms of consensual behavior that would 'disqualify' someone from being a feminist?

[willkeaveney62417]

Are there any forms of consensual behavior that would 'disqualify' someone from being a feminist?

will

This is an online community. Communities - online and off - have their own practices, norms and even rules which newcomers adapt to. It is in absolutely no way your place to dictate what is and isn't appropriate.

R.e. your friendly warning regarding dense texts - I don't include myself in this, but many people on this board are extraordinarily well-read, understand feminist theory extremely well, and also have a great talent for explaining it in a way that non-experts can understand. I have benefited hugely from reading their thoughts and explanations. Perhaps you might benefit more from approaching the things they are saying from a position of humility, rather than assuming you are in any position to tell them how to discuss feminism?

Is it time for my favourite FWR image to come out yet?

Go on HoVis, hit it!

What a pompous little tit.

Yes, HoVis, please do! Btw, none of the texts I have suggested is particularly dense.

I'd say it's time for The Image, HoVis.

If feminists cannot come up with some kind of working model of behavior and continue to individualize themselves to the point that everyone is doing something totally different all the while equally empowering

Working model of behaviour? Like a set of rules and regulations that dictate the ideal of how women should act?

Is that not what feminism is about combating? That woman should be equal to men/treated like men, and we can do whatever we want, even individualise ourselves while empowering ourselves?

Don't know much about feminist theory and haven't read any great feminist works, but even I can see the op is talking out his arse.

As per encouragement...!

*Surely not that

Oh come on, wickedlazy, can't you see that we need men to tell us that we're Doing Feminism Wrong?

Of course, silly me. Amazing I was able to even get dressed this morning without a man telling me what to wear, and tying my shoe laces for me.

I have mentioned this before, but XH once asked me, after watching a programme on the subject (don't ask, I didn't), whether I knew that I should wipe my arse after defacating from front to back? I was, at that point, around 45 years of age.

He would also advise me, on going to London (which I did five times a week for over 30 years), to look both ways when crossing the street and not to give my handbag, or the baby, to a stranger to hold. As you do.

bigmouthstrikesagain wrote - "Women are not a homogeneous group. It is self evident to me that a Feminist in rural South East India has a different agenda and priorities to a feminist in western Europe (for example). There is a combination of complex social/ economic and ethnic influences that needs to be accounted for feminism is not meaningful without context, in my opinion. So I identify as a socialist first and a feminist second."

Your comment suggests to me that context and diversity are larger stumbling blocks for you in your feminism than in your socialism, causing you to prioritise your socialism over your feminism. If this is indeed the case, I'd be interested to read more from you about why you have taken this view.

As you'll already know, socialism includes the beliefs and actions of various historical periods, ideological strands and social cultures. A list of socialists can include:

Nelson Mandela, Julia Gillard, Stalin, Pol Pot, Dubcek, Gorbachev, Tito, Harold Wilson, Mitterrand, Castro, Golda Meir, Tony Blair, Indira Gandhi, Gerhard Schroeder, Rosa Luxemburg, Ho Chi Minh, and Karl Marx,

So, is socialism really more homogeneous and context-free than feminism?

I beg to differ, Tony Blair may be many things but a socialist he is not.

Hi Vesuvia - for me Socialism is a more complete philosophy on a practical level it allows analysis of society and a critique of the economic structure that we live under. Without the dismantling of the capitalist system then no individual will be truly free. So feminism without socialism would not resolve all the problems I see in the world as it is now. You can be a liberal/ conservative etc and still identity as a feminist.

If I wanted to stand for election I would not stand on a purely feminist platform, but I could stand as a socialist. That is my world view, feminism informs my view and socialism underpins it. Hth.

And yes Tony Blair a socialist? Bwa ha ha ha

Socialists are not homogenous and never will be certainty is always a bit suspicious to me... Debate is healthy.

Can you be Conservative and feminist?

I would think you can, yes. What do you think, BD?

I should add due to that party having several mp's voting against things like the equality bill, and a lot of bizarre things from American 'Conservative feminists' you hear.

Republicans and democrats don't map onto conservative and labour - so what do you mean by conservative? Some Tories are anti abortion but it's not a party position as it is for republicans.

I would place a lot of conservative ideals as being very partriachal and not altruistic, or is that my bias expecting women to be altruistic.

I want to learn about you.

Eurrgh!

Is this a goadybot being tested out, do we think?

"I would place a lot of conservative ideals as being very partriachal and not altruistic, or is that my bias expecting women to be altruistic."

I dunno, let me call Xenia!!

bigmouthstrikesagain, thanks for your reply.