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The greens and prostitutes

807 replies

IceBeing · 04/03/2015 21:21

Be gentle as I am new to thinking about this.

I found the Natalie Bennett's comments on decriminalising prostitution pretty persuasive - what am I missing?

She basically said that sex workers would like this policy (having contributed to it) and that research from other countries indicated it was the way forward.

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Jessica147 · 07/03/2015 22:50

Well if blowjobs are good for my teeth, doesn't that really mean he's doing me a favour? I find it strange that my dentist has never mentioned the powers of blowjobs.

So how can I improve my teeth?
Well you could brush them regularly, avoid fizzy drinks, or you could just give loads of blowjobs.

grimbletart · 07/03/2015 22:50

Mary: no one has told you what you can and can't do with your body. If you were familiar with FWR you would know that posters are very supportive of individual prostitutes. No prostitute on here has ever been personally condemned by feminists. You can do it upside down, hanging from the chandelier with a rose between your buttocks and a cast of 10 men if you choose.

It's the society that says it is OK for desperate, poor, maybe drug dependent or abused women with no real choice other than to sell themselves that FWR has concerns about.

Lioninthesun · 07/03/2015 22:54

Mary I think a lot of societal rules and laws are in place to do exactly that - stop people doing whatever they want with their bodies. Otherwise people could grope/rape/run about naked/use anything openly as a toilet/bite etc etc. Not sure what your point it.

mary24go · 07/03/2015 22:56

"Did you know Mary that nuns and monks have higher life expectancy that other mortals? Doesn't really fit with your have sex and live long and healthy model does it? Unless of course these nuns and monks are really very naughty and are at it like rabbits."

It is true they do live longer and after living such lives of excess, drinking, smoking, maybe taking drugs, eating fast and processed food packed with corn syrup and other crap.

They are so unlike normal people who are typically cloistered away eating healthily and getting fresh air and exercise on a daily basis.

YEA you nailed it i mean the lack of sex is clearly a winner because their are clearly no other contributing factors involved...

RufusTheReindeer · 07/03/2015 22:56

jessica

Wait a minute...wouldn't the penis act like a straw? So it wouldn't hit the teeth at all?

Like when the dentist says use a straw with a fizzy drink...

Lioninthesun · 07/03/2015 22:57

But yes we are deviating from the political stance of a party we are all interested in, one way or another. Which is why we are all still here, despite the popcorn throwing from the back there Wink

Jessica147 · 07/03/2015 22:58

So to get it to work, I have to make sure I get semen on my teeth. Got it. Thanks!

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/03/2015 22:58

Sorry Blush

Jessica147 · 07/03/2015 23:00

Sorry. I'll return to a serious point.

The buying of organs is illegal in England, and in many other countries. I see buying of sex in the same light. Some things cannot and should not be bought.

RufusTheReindeer · 07/03/2015 23:01

I'm here to help jessica

lion

I didn't even know that the Green Party had that policy til I saw it on Mumsnet. I wonder what the other parties think....I am afraid to google it Blush I might try and be brave...

mary24go · 07/03/2015 23:03

"Mary I think a lot of societal rules and laws are in place to do exactly that - stop people doing whatever they want with their bodies. Otherwise people could grope/rape/run about naked/use anything openly as a toilet/bite etc etc. Not sure what your point it."

Its true you utterly missed the point because anybody who brings up USING IT TO RAPE in a discussion about women having control over their own bodies and deciding for themselves what it can be used for and why has issues.

IS A MAN WHO GROPES OR RAPES ME ONLY DOING WHAT HE WANTS TO HIS BODY THEN OR AT THAT POINT HAS HE PERHAPS INVOLVED MINE AGAINST MY WILL????

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON?

Lioninthesun · 07/03/2015 23:04

Puffin popcorn won't keep those teeth in good working order Wink
So now I know I don't have a chuff like a wizards sleeve... (much easier than doing kegels this being single malarky!).
I'm wondering if there are any other models out there? As I said both seem to be fairly opposing ends of the spectrum to where we are. I like a bit of middle ground myself. I also think the trafficking is where the problems are being highlighted - and therefore that should be tackled first. Driving down prices for prostitutes can't possibly help anyone other than the clients. Even then not all, as Kim says a lot of men would rather not deal with women who are being coerced or addicted.

Lioninthesun · 07/03/2015 23:08

Mary - women can rape too. I'd read that last sentence of yours to a mirror. Maybe twice.

Moving on...

Rufus yes, none of the other parties is touching it with a bargepole. It is the reason I like the Greens - they are trying to think of women and make a few changes for them. However I think most of us think this is a little misguided, but are open to arguments and suggestions from both sides.

RufusTheReindeer · 07/03/2015 23:10

Thanks lion

PetulaGordino · 07/03/2015 23:14

I do think that they have made the effort to talk to women in prostitution and their intentions are genuine. But as kim explains above, it's easy to see how in talking to women in prostitution it is easy for only one group of women to be heard.

Jessica147 · 07/03/2015 23:16

Whilst I don't agree with the approach the Greens are taking, it seems significantly better than "we just won't talk about it", which seems to be the approach of the other parties.

PetulaGordino · 07/03/2015 23:18

I also don't think that anyone on either side of the debate about the best route forward would deny how important it is for any changes to the law to be backed up by proper support and options for those who want to exit prostitution and any linked difficulties and disadvantages they may have.

PetulaGordino · 07/03/2015 23:18

I agree Jessica

mary24go · 07/03/2015 23:23

"Mary - women can rape too.

No shit Sherlock but how does it apply to what i was referring too?.

How is me having control of my body and what to do with it and choosing to go out and have sex with men or women who will pay me money for doing so.

In any way the same as:

Me having control of my body and what to do with it and choosing to go out and rape people.

One of these involves non consensual sex the other does not.

Lioninthesun · 07/03/2015 23:26

Yes, it does need talking about. These threads have shown how divisive it is, which is again why I think it was brave of them to attempt to change the policy on it. Sadly I do wonder where they got their speakers from, as I said in my first post, and am concerned that they may have been lined up by members of the party hoping to gain support for their own means. It doesn't seem that they saw a balanced set of speeches on both models or spoke to any addicts or anyone who opposed the NZ model at all! This could just be because we don't know how the policy was selected in great detail (other than Nathalie saying she has read extensively on the issue - what we are not told and again this could have been presented to her to back up the speeches - although I'd not like to say she is blinkered or incapable of doing her own research obvs!). So it would be nice to know a little more about how they got this result when opting for a policy in an apparently democratic party where they all get to vote on what goes in.

Lioninthesun · 07/03/2015 23:28

I think the mirror may have stopped the heavy use of CAPITALS.
As Cameron would say "calm down dear".

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/03/2015 23:30

Petula... I agree, I think they have made efforts to speak to a certain group of women in prostitution, the same one as Kim mentioned upthread. Sadly, that means that, yet again, the women most adversely affected are yet again left without a voice. So, I'm not sure how useful those discussions actually were when trying to formulate a manifesto policy on the subject.

It would be similar to going and asking a group of female execs what percentage of their wage they spend on childcare and extrapolating those figures to cover all working women, even those on NMW.

I do agree with Jessica though, at least they are actually having the conversation, which is a damn sight more than the big 3 and that bloody awful UKIP are although I suspect that kippers would be only too happy to decriminalise as well, what with their strange views on the role of women

Lioninthesun · 07/03/2015 23:38

Ye gads, the thought of Farage salivating himself through an interview talking about the subject makes my skin crawl! Ick.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 07/03/2015 23:40

Mmmmm, didn't do much for me either. Think that might be responsible for vaginal atrophy more than any lack of sex really.

fayyive · 08/03/2015 00:18

"PuffinsAreFictitious Sat 07-Mar-15 05:25:11
it's to prevent anyone profiteering from prostituted women."

The prostituted women themselves are criminalised if they work together.

"Are those things necessary to it though?"

@Wackadoodle, it is not necessary at all. But in countries with the Nordic model this is the case.