Feminist Pub 17: The Bluestocking frolics in the fells and fens of feminism

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This is the 17th incarnation of the Feminist Pub!

Here be goats, cannons and chat on feminism and related themes. Also snacks. And booze, copious booze.

Welcome!

I don't really want to work with these guys either. The idea that they are going home and pretending, or in some cases, actually raping their wives - ugh. I certainly wouldn't want to place all my trust in his respecting my boundaries especially if he is the one who apparently knows what they are.

Sorry I meant to say in there that he would hate that too.

Squints at bar for advocaat and lemonade as chance for what DW calls my gayboy drink.

Though in the 50shade thread it was all female as subs, didn't seem much discussion of when its the male as the sub or even 'cuckold' is that also playing up to patriarchal society?

We discussed that earlier in the thread.

Ok will trawl back through it.

I cannot face 50 Shades of Rape, but can I sit in a corner rocking slightly and looking deranged drinking a large and listening to the chat.

House I think the eroticisation of women's submission is huge in our culture and is internalised by women (NAW). I think when (some) rapists say "I thought she was enjoying it" they are telling the truth, even if she was struggling and shouting no. That's what I hate about this book and the magic cloak that BDSM seems to cast over any outrageous behaviour. Lots of people genuinely believe rape myths.

BD the short answer from my perspective is that reversing the roles acknowledges that the roles are nature and the thrill comes from the transgression or reversal, which itself is an acknowledgement of the male dominant / female submissive role.

hullooo TIC

"Is this why when a woman posts on relationships asking whether what her partner did was rape, there are always a load of responses saying it wasn't (even when it obviously was)?"

probably, and also i expect there will be some who have had similar done to them and they can't acknowledge that this man they love and trust might be capable of rape. it's easier to see it as normal that women are the gatekeepers and it is normal for men to coerce, manipulate and force their way to sex

May I join you with my and , Penguins? DS kept me up ages last night.

Also, I started rewatching the first series of Call the Midwife last night and I was really squicked out by the woman with 24 children. Not because she had 24, but because she had her first at 14 and haf been constantly pg.

Flora yes I see where you are coming from.

Absolutely Arti. We shall hide in a corner and make no attempt to be erudite.

Absolutely Arti. We shall hide in a corner and make no attempt to be erudite.

Absolutely Arti. We shall hide in a corner and make no attempt to be erudite.

Bloody phone

House yes, I'd agree, that was too charitable.

Can I ask a random question (with only a very tenuous link to feminism)?

heard voice of former boss saying 'you just did'

Anyone know what one wears to a mass celebrating a religious profession? One of my old school friends made her final vows as a nun in January. There is a mass in our old parish this weekend, when I just happen to be visiting my DSis, so I thought I'd go along. I haven't got a clue what to wear.

Why is it men can just wear a dark suit to everything (christening, wedding, funeral, court appearance, job interview, etc.), and yet women meed a multitude of outfits to cover these occasions?

my typing is terrible tonight - spellcheck tried to change 'multitude' to 'multiethnic'

Can I sit in a quiet corner and gibber?

Everyone seems very tired tonight then.