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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

God almighty. 44 year old teacher has sex with 16 year old pupil and is spared prison

109 replies

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 14/01/2015 13:30

Because the girl groomed him rather than the other way around according to the judge.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/14/former-london-teacher-convicted-over-affair-with-teenager

OP posts:
CrispyFern · 14/01/2015 19:49

How do you complain?

Egog · 14/01/2015 20:01

This makes me incredibly angry. I wonder whether the judge's opinions would change should it be their daughter involved?

VivienneRuns · 14/01/2015 20:36

She's old enough to have sex, marry and join the army, he shouldn't go to prison just because he was her teacher.

imip · 14/01/2015 20:38

Really viv?

I think he should go to prison because he WAS her teacher.

YonicSleighdriver · 14/01/2015 20:39

Vivienne, there's a particular law which extends the restrictions on having sex with 16 and 17 year olds to those in a position of trust to those teenagers. So absolutely the whole discussion is "just because he was her teacher"

Hurr1cane · 14/01/2015 21:01

Oh dear viv.... You're the reason that I think he age of consent should be upped to 18. And 15 year olds are not old enough to do any of those things by the way. You absolute grimmer.

OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 14/01/2015 21:01

The laws around consent have an area in them between 16 and 18 where (well between younger than 16 and 18 really) where there is allowance for prosecution due to power imbalances etc.

This is to recognise that while it is in no-ones interests to prosecute 2 15yo having consensual sex, while under 18 you are still very young, so leaves the door open for prosecution where there is power differential etc.

It is not as simple as "it is always legal for a man to have sex with a 16 yo girl" it is more complicated than that, because our society via our law says well actually there are times when it is not OK.

One of the times which is specified in law as not being OK is in a student teacher relationship:

"In relation to many other offences there is no requirement to prove an absence of consent. Only the act itself and the age of the victim or other criteria need to be proved. They include:

rape of a child under 13
assault by penetration of a child under 13
sexual assault of a child under 13 and
inciting or causing a person to engage in sexual activity with a child under 13
child sexual offences involving children under 16
children under 18 having sexual relations with persons in a position of trust
children under 18 involved with family members over 18
persons with a mental disorder impeding choice
persons with a mental disorder who are induced threatened or deceived
persons with a mental disorder who have sexual relations with care workers"

As you can see by the other offences it is grouped with, it is considered to be an extremely serious offence.

If you would like the law changed then the thing to do is raise it with your MP.

Hurr1cane · 14/01/2015 21:05

Well yes, two 15 year olds is a different matter than an adult in a position of trust.

OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 14/01/2015 21:07

The man in this case was 44 and even if he wasn't her teacher I'd be saying it was dodgy as fuck TBH. That is a massive age gap and 16 (15 when they started) is very young.

If I knew a man in my home town or work who was 44 and even snogged a 15/16 yo I'd think he was revolting and probably a bit of a perve.

Just my opinion there, unrelated to the law. But I don't understand really how anyone could think, hmm, 44 yo married man and 15 yo schoolgirl, yes that seems perfectly normal, fine and above board to me, best let them get on with it Hmm

scallopsrgreat · 14/01/2015 21:10

Stop looking at her actions Vivienne. What about his? Why was a 44 yr old man fucking a 16 yr old child, in his care?

OmnipotentQueenOfTheUniverse · 14/01/2015 21:18

The fact (from upthread) that she lost her virginity to him on school premises during the school day with a teacher who pulled her out of class...

It's grim, isn't it?

Apparently some people on here think this behaviour is AOK.

imip · 14/01/2015 21:18

I'm a little judgemental about the fact that he slept with someone else the week his wife was having a miscarriage and the judge saw the miscarriage as a 'mitigating' factor! WTAF was going through the judge's mind?

As an atheist, I love that he was a religious studies teacher Hmm

TooSpotty · 14/01/2015 21:21

A vulnerable, mixed-up child at that. One that his professional training should have alerted him to.

I have no doubt that many male teachers have had the occasional, um, moment to themselves in the presence of some of their older female pupils. But they do NOT act on them because not only is it illegal to do so but it's letting their profession down.

3littlefrogs · 14/01/2015 21:22

I watched this on the news earlier.
My 16 year old DD was sitting next to me.
She was as outraged as I am.
I actually couldn't get a word in for a few minutes...

I hope there is a proper enquiry and that this judge is removed from office - or whatever it is that happens to incompetent judges.

PuffinsAreFictitious · 14/01/2015 21:23

She's old enough to have sex, marry and join the army

She would still have to get her parent's permission to marry, at 16 you can only go to Harrogate or Welbeck, not join the army and I suspect that, if she was being parented effectively, the sex would never have happened either.

he shouldn't go to prison just because he was her teacher.

He can do though, I believe the maximum is 5 years in prison.

Viv, you really seem to 'get' how awful rape myths are, and I've seen your posts debunking them, so I'm really interested to know why you think this in this case?

TooSpotty · 14/01/2015 21:32

Another way to think of it is whether this is sex with informed consent. Her thinking is clouded by the fact that he is an authority figure to her: her decisions cannot be separated from that.

YonicSleighdriver · 14/01/2015 21:39

Attorney general is reviewing.

YonicSleighdriver · 14/01/2015 21:40

m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30824569

Bakeoffcakes · 14/01/2015 23:39

Thank goodness for that. Lets hope he is given a proper sentence and the judge is sacked sent on some kind of training.

HelenaDove · 15/01/2015 00:14

Horrified at this case and the judges comments.

bigblue the teacher you mentioned must be in his 80s now and your friend in her 50s.

I did ask on another thread how far society has really come over the years and your post has reminded me that at least if a teacher was taking a pupil for lunch alone now there would be raised eyebrows.

AnyFucker · 15/01/2015 06:38

Perhaps Vivienne is one of those people that agreed that the vulnerable girls in Rochdale groomed by adult men to be passed around for sexual abuse really were "making a lifestyle choice"

AnyFucker · 15/01/2015 06:38

as perhaps is the judge in this case

Chipsahoythere · 15/01/2015 06:59

Horrendous.

AggressiveBunting · 15/01/2015 07:07

You gave way to temptation at a time when you were emotionally vulnerable because of problems with your wifes pregnancy

OMG. I am so angry right now that if I might go and firebomb the Old Bailey. W.T.A.F.F

Bakeoffcakes · 15/01/2015 08:09

Aggressive you can get into big trouble for saying things like thatGrin Seriously people have been arrested and charged for saying less. Might be an idea to get it deleted.

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